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by: arron - Aug 22, 2015 2:32:56 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 22, 2015 2:32:56 GMT -5
My name is Arron, this is the third post about this issue. but it has gotten much worse.
The scoot wont stay running once it warms up, from a cold start I can ride wot for 10-15 miles with no issue, but if I turn the engine off and don't let it rest for at least a couple hours, it will stall like its getting no fuel. once it dies, it starts right back up, but it will die again, sometimes in a few feet or sometimes a couple hundred feet. This was an intermittent issue, but now it is constant and left me stranded last night. When I went to pick it up this morning, it started right up and got me the 2 miles to my house with no problems.
I replaced all the fuel and vacuum lines, petcock valve and checked and cleaned out the gas cap vent hole. I just bought the scooter used about 3 weeks ago. Its a 2008 lance Phoenix with 8000 miles on it. I am about to tear my hair out. Tomorrow I will be adjusting the valves in the hopes that they have tightened up and are causing the bike to overheat. My air filter is good and I just changed the oil, engine and gearbox. New fuel filter too. When the engine sits overnight, it will run fast and smooth, I see 60+ wot even on a slight incline, but once I have been riding for about 40 minutes or so, I cannot get over 50(unless I am going down hill) and rpm wont exceed 5500(6500 when cold). I also replaced the CVT belt as the old one exploded, pulled the variator and clutch and cleaned out everything.
Now the valves have been adjusted and it was still stalling and when it would die at full speed, it would backfire. So I pulled the carb and cleaned it and fixed the seals on the air filter box and it will start and run a high idle and once it warms up, it will die. If I try to start it it turns over, but wont start. The stator pickup was being leaked on by the air box drain tube and the plastic housing is a little eaten away. but the wires are intact and the circuit tested good. Let me state again, it starts, then dies like its out of gas, but I am getting good fuel, and it warms up fine from cold, but dies and and wont restart til its all the way cooled down. I am at my wits end. I am just not sure what to do next. If any of you have experienced this before please weigh in as I am about to replace all the electrical. One last thing, it will misfire with a brand new plug in it. I will test the spark tomorrow when it wont start back up. i tested it before, but it is worse now, so I will do it again and post the results tomorrow, or actually today. Thank you all for hanging in there with me.
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by: pistonguy - Aug 22, 2015 6:14:37 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Aug 22, 2015 6:14:37 GMT -5
Valve Adjustment? Are your Valves Closing up when it gets Hot?
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by: lain - Aug 22, 2015 9:46:31 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 22, 2015 9:46:31 GMT -5
Have you checked your carb for fuel leaks? or maybe yoru fuel line is too thin? When I upgraded to my big bore kit the regular vacuum petcock wouldn't get me enough fuel so I converted to manual and haven't had fuel delivery issues since. It could also be possible there is a leak in the carb drain hose or around the bowl somewhere, this could also cause the symptoms you are describing. If the lines aren't brand new already you should get some and replace all the lines, it's a very cheap thing to do and should help either way. Clean lines transport clean fuel, etc. If the lines are old I wouldn't be suprised if there was a tiny unseeable crack int he line for fuel or for the vaccuum that is either letting fuel out or letting air in.
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by: arron - Aug 22, 2015 10:40:10 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 22, 2015 10:40:10 GMT -5
No fuel leaks, spark is strong and regular even when bike wont start. So it will run now only until it gets to a certain temp and then it dies on its own and will not restart,I let it cool off and it will start, only to do the same thing again. Is this a lost cause?
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by: JerryScript - Aug 22, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5
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Post by JerryScript on Aug 22, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5
Test the stator with a multimeter when hot and the problem is happening. I'm thinking you have a heat short.
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by: pistonguy - Aug 22, 2015 11:19:23 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Aug 22, 2015 11:19:23 GMT -5
Wont start/stay running Hot. Are you Sure your Valves are not Closing up when Hot? When was the last time you checked your Valve Lash Clearance? Your Symptoms are classic valve lash closing when Hot and Hanging the exh valve open to not run/start till room temp.
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by: arron - Aug 22, 2015 12:37:55 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 22, 2015 12:37:55 GMT -5
I did the valves one week ago, I set them both to .005 and it ran great for a day. then started doing the same thing again. I have the bike apart, I will recheck the lash in both, the scoot has good spark, but wont even start now and I dont smell gas when I try to start it, I think I may have but the carb back together wrong and the floats are not operating properly. because it starts runs for awhile and dies like its out of fuel. I hope anyway.
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by: lain - Aug 22, 2015 13:49:09 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 22, 2015 13:49:09 GMT -5
I did the valves one week ago, I set them both to .005 and it ran great for a day. then started doing the same thing again. I have the bike apart, I will recheck the lash in both, the scoot has good spark, but wont even start now and I dont smell gas when I try to start it, I think I may have but the carb back together wrong and the floats are not operating properly. because it starts runs for awhile and dies like its out of fuel. I hope anyway. Yeah that was the next thing I was going to suggest, checking the float. It sounds like a fuel issue to me.
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by: pistonguy - Aug 22, 2015 14:16:32 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Aug 22, 2015 14:16:32 GMT -5
I did the valves one week ago, I set them both to .005 and it ran great for a day. then started doing the same thing again. I have the bike apart, I will recheck the lash in both, the scoot has good spark, but wont even start now and I dont smell gas when I try to start it, I think I may have but the carb back together wrong and the floats are not operating properly. because it starts runs for awhile and dies like its out of fuel. I hope anyway. Ran Great for a day? your on to something Dbbl check that Valve Lash. repeat good luck
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by: arron - Aug 22, 2015 14:37:22 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 22, 2015 14:37:22 GMT -5
opened the float bowl drain and it was full of gas but still would'nt start. Working outside so waiting for my shade to return before I re do the valves. Will post results.
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 1:02:37 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 1:02:37 GMT -5
Valves were still .005 at TDC It wont even start now, spark is still good and fuel is getting to the carb. Compression exists. I took the spark plug out and covered the hole with my thumb and cranked it and i couldn't keep my thumb over the hole. So must be coil, stator or pickup. I will have to wait for my next paycheck and give John a call to order the parts. Thanks everybody, And yes I will replace the parts one at a time and keep the old ones for spares.
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by: lain - Aug 23, 2015 10:38:32 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 23, 2015 10:38:32 GMT -5
It's possible that even though gas gets to the carb that it cannot move from the carb to the engine if a passageway is clogged or dirty. Have you cleaned out the carb and checked everything? You can check to see if gas flows into the venturi by removing the air filter from the carb temporarily and holding your hand over the air intake while trying to start, if gas is flowing it will get your hand wet. If it is not, your hand will be dry.
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 10:53:38 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 10:53:38 GMT -5
I created a valve gasket out of silicone because mine was leaking oil, but the airbox and everything else back on the engine and it fired right up, warmed up and promptly died and wont restart. So CDI failing after it gets enough juice to warm up, caps become erratic, Probably leaking and only produce reliable voltage output when cold? Just tried and it starts and then dies immediately. And now it just turns over but wont start. I am not equipped for this, I repair computers and cellphones not engines and electrical systems. Thanks in advance for any additional input.
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 10:55:51 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 10:55:51 GMT -5
It's possible that even though gas gets to the carb that it cannot move from the carb to the engine if a passageway is clogged or dirty. Have you cleaned out the carb and checked everything? You can check to see if gas flows into the venturi by removing the air filter from the carb temporarily and holding your hand over the air intake while trying to start, if gas is flowing it will get your hand wet. If it is not, your hand will be dry. Lain, I have not but will try that now. Thank you.
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by: JerryScript - Aug 23, 2015 11:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by JerryScript on Aug 23, 2015 11:13:04 GMT -5
The stator pickup was being leaked on by the air box drain tube and the plastic housing is a little eaten away. but the wires are intact and the circuit tested good. This is why I recommended to test the stator with a multimeter when hot.
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