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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 11:30:09 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 11:30:09 GMT -5
Jerry, your SSR is the same as my lance. I am a nube, so can you explain how to test the stator with the multimeter. What am I looking for and what exactly do I need to remove to test it besides the fan housing and the flywheel? or do I even need to go that far? Thanks.
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 11:33:50 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 11:33:50 GMT -5
It's possible that even though gas gets to the carb that it cannot move from the carb to the engine if a passageway is clogged or dirty. Have you cleaned out the carb and checked everything? You can check to see if gas flows into the venturi by removing the air filter from the carb temporarily and holding your hand over the air intake while trying to start, if gas is flowing it will get your hand wet. If it is not, your hand will be dry. Lain, I have not but will try that now. Thank you. Well, gas is moving, but it was just a mist, hand smells like gas, not necessarily a bad thing. Is that what I was looking for? or should it have been more substantial? |
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Post by lain on Aug 23, 2015 11:36:58 GMT -5
Here's a good video explainig the function and how to test the elctric components, including the stator. The video shows a piaggio/vespa system but it's essentially the same, but on chinese scooters the ignition coil and cdi are seperate devices.
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by: lain - Aug 23, 2015 11:38:42 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 23, 2015 11:38:42 GMT -5
Lain, I have not but will try that now. Thank you. Well, gas is moving, but it was just a mist, hand smells like gas, not necessarily a bad thing. Is that what I was looking for? or should it have been more substantial? Can you go further into detail? When I do the same thing with my scooters the botom lip of the air intake part of the carb drips with gas when I remove my hand. Are you saying there was only enough gas to make sort of a mist on your hand but no actual droplets anywhere? |
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by: JR - Aug 23, 2015 11:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Aug 23, 2015 11:43:30 GMT -5
Question? Have you checked for spark as soon as it dies while still hot? CDI's can sometimes fail after they get hot along with coils. If it dies when it gets hot and you can immediately pull the plug, (don't get burned) and you have a good blue park then you've eliminated three possible problems all in one, stator, CDI and coil. If you have no spark or a very weak one then it's time to do some testing.
Another question? You said it acts like it runs out of gas? Have you checked to see if the gas tank is vented properly? Pull the gas cap after it dies and see if it'll start up and stay running. If the tank isn't venting then after it runs a spell it is losing gas due to a vacuum being pulled on the tank.
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Post by JR on Aug 23, 2015 11:57:33 GMT -5
Don't know where the guy in the previous video got the idea that the stator was supposed to put out 300 volts or so? Here's a simple and correct way to check your stator, no need to remove it at all.
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by: JerryScript - Aug 23, 2015 13:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by JerryScript on Aug 23, 2015 13:10:53 GMT -5
Jerry, your SSR is the same as my lance. I am a nube, so can you explain how to test the stator with the multimeter. What am I looking for and what exactly do I need to remove to test it besides the fan housing and the flywheel? or do I even need to go that far? Thanks. If your Lance is the same body style, and has the battery under the seat: -remove the seat -remove the battery -remove the seat bucket --If you cannot reach the points to test shown in the video above -remove lower side body panels -place battery on floor panel and hook up, secure it if you attempt to start it! Be careful when pulling the plastics ro get to the screws on the upper side body panels, I scratched mine on the passenger hand grips by pulling up, I've learned to pull down, one screw on each side is a real pain to get to. |
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 13:15:13 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 13:15:13 GMT -5
Well, gas is moving, but it was just a mist, hand smells like gas, not necessarily a bad thing. Is that what I was looking for? or should it have been more substantial? Can you go further into detail? When I do the same thing with my scooters the botom lip of the air intake part of the carb drips with gas when I remove my hand. Are you saying there was only enough gas to make sort of a mist on your hand but no actual droplets anywhere? There were droplets on the bottom part of my hand, but my hand was barely wet towards the top. |
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by: lain - Aug 23, 2015 13:35:56 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 23, 2015 13:35:56 GMT -5
Can you go further into detail? When I do the same thing with my scooters the botom lip of the air intake part of the carb drips with gas when I remove my hand. Are you saying there was only enough gas to make sort of a mist on your hand but no actual droplets anywhere? There were droplets on the bottom part of my hand, but my hand was barely wet towards the top. That's good then. Like JR and Jerry said, have you checked for spark when it dies? I know this may sound kind of hard, testing something that happens seemingly random, but it could help. Before I got a Casoli CDI my CDI's died every couple months. Some CDIs are just crud. If you are thinking of getting repacement electric components get a casoli cdi. Also get a real red or orange wire coil. Scrappydogscooters.com sells real stuff, I would check there for those parts. When my CDI's die they usually would die out randomly and I would have to wait for it to cool to start up again, same thing with coils, they act funny when dying. |
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 13:57:18 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 13:57:18 GMT -5
There were droplets on the bottom part of my hand, but my hand was barely wet towards the top. That's good then. Like JR and Jerry said, have you checked for spark when it dies? I know this may sound kind of hard, testing something that happens seemingly random, but it could help. Before I got a Casoli CDI my CDI's died every couple months. Some CDIs are just crud. If you are thinking of getting repacement electric components get a casoli cdi. Also get a real red or orange wire coil. Scrappydogscooters.com sells real stuff, I would check there for those parts. When my CDI's die they usually would die out randomly and I would have to wait for it to cool to start up again, same thing with coils, they act funny when dying. Its not starting at all now, I will pull the plug now and check. |
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by: arron - Aug 23, 2015 15:43:34 GMT -5
Post by arron on Aug 23, 2015 15:43:34 GMT -5
OK, have spark, but it seems to be going from strong to weak, strong to weak, every other spark.
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by: lain - Aug 23, 2015 15:52:19 GMT -5
Post by lain on Aug 23, 2015 15:52:19 GMT -5
OK, have spark, but it seems to be going from strong to weak, strong to weak, every other spark. Either you have a bad ground wire, or no ground wire at all connected to the engine and the frame, or your ignition coil or cdi is dying. They sell CDI and coil combos and even with spark plugs on ebay. You could also just order the good quality parts from some reputable distributor like scrappy. |
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Post by rockynv on Aug 26, 2015 12:22:31 GMT -5
Around that time frame 2007/2008 Lance had a bad batch of ignition pickups that would fail when they got hot. The bikes would act like they were fuel starved at first and then get worse as the pickup continued to deteriorate internally. Some would get tricked into thinking one of their other fixes worked since many would behave better and be trouble free for a while once the cooler weather came only to have them start acting up when the next warm day arrived. Most would check out good when tested since by the time you took out the seat bucket and accessed them enough fresh air had entered the engine compartment to cool them down. Scrappy used to have the pickups alone for around $5.
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by: arron - Aug 27, 2015 8:42:05 GMT -5
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Post by arron on Aug 27, 2015 8:42:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the words of wisdom, I will start with the pickup.
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by: arron - Sept 16, 2015 10:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by arron on Sept 16, 2015 10:34:18 GMT -5
Thank you for the words of wisdom, I will start with the pickup. Well what do you know, reaced the pickup and what did I find, but a short in the exciter wire at the connector. The wire was melted, so I replaced the pickup and the exciter wire and rofay I have all my horsepower back and it is not stalling anymore. But now I need to know, does this mean I need to replace the coil? Is it putting out too much voltage, why would it short\melt in the first place? Thanks for any info you can share. |
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