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Post by keikara on Apr 24, 2015 21:29:42 GMT -5
dmartin95 So hooked up the wires in the way that you said, hooked up battery turned on key, pulled in break lever light came on, hit starter button and nothing no click nothing, battery is at 12.3 amps while sitting and drops just a little when I pull the break lever.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 21:31:31 GMT -5
I have a loose pink wire behind the headlights . its never been hooked up .
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Post by keikara on Apr 24, 2015 21:34:55 GMT -5
I'm tempted to hook the 4pin back on and see what it does, the wires coming off the stator are the exact same color as the ones from the old motor. Waiting to hear back from dmartin, and for tomorrow its getting dark and I'm tired of messing with it already for the night lol.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 21:36:52 GMT -5
I bought a new engine about 3-4 years ago . it came with a 5 wire regulator. My harness on the scoot is a 4 pin . the new regulator is bigger then the old small 4 pin regulator . the extra wire on my regulator is black . here is a pic.  . |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 21:40:23 GMT -5
My harness wires are , red , yellow , white and green . my 5 pin regulator is the same except for the extra black wire , which I did not hook up.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 21:45:48 GMT -5
Whoa.... STOP.... The 5 pin r/r that came with your stator is the one you want use. The pink is the same as the white, not an accessory wire. I have not pulled the flywheel on one of these to see what kind of stator it is, it may be a floating ground( two phase), full wave stator. Or, it may be single phase, half wave... Most of the 4 PIN R/R's are only half wave.... There are some 4 pin R/R's that are full wave, the R/R will have fins on the top and side.... The pin out on your new R/R is as follows. Yellow A/C stator input (Line 1) Pink A/C stator input (Line 2) Green - Ground (Ground to frame, not battery) Red - 12 volt + DC out to battery (battery charge circuit) Black - (12 volt sense) (You hook the black wire to your ignition accessory circuit - This is not a charge wire or a power source: The function of this detects the charge and adjust the accoudingly) Hey dmartin , if you read my posts , what will happen if the black wire on my regulator is not hooked up ? Its been like this for over 3 years and haven't noticed anything. I don't have a black wire on my harness . |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 21:50:11 GMT -5
I'm tempted to hook the 4pin back on and see what it does, the wires coming off the stator are the exact same color as the ones from the old motor. Waiting to hear back from dmartin, and for tomorrow its getting dark and I'm tired of messing with it already for the night lol.  I'm not understanding this last post.... You did hook the the stator up to the original harness didn't you? _ First, take note, You can unplug your R/R altogether and start your scooter. If your getting "nothing", the problem isn't in the Stator R/R wiring.... |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 21:53:40 GMT -5
dmartin95 So hooked up the wires in the way that you said, hooked up battery turned on key, pulled in break lever light came on, hit starter button and nothing no click nothing, battery is at 12.3 amps while sitting and drops just a little when I pull the break lever. If you hooked it up the way I said, It's hooked up correctly. There is no need to start second guess the wiring instructions I gave you. This is stuff that I've already done numerous times and have studied more scooter diagrams that I can list... You need to check power to your starter, check your fuse, check your battery connections.....Etc etc... |
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Post by keikara on Apr 24, 2015 22:02:49 GMT -5
Battery connections are good, battery is good have 12v to the starter. Everything else is hooked up exactly as it came off with the exception of the r/r. The stator is hooked up to the harness using the same wires and colors as the old one. Will look into more after work tomorrow.
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:05:14 GMT -5
Whoa.... STOP.... The 5 pin r/r that came with your stator is the one you want use. The pink is the same as the white, not an accessory wire. I have not pulled the flywheel on one of these to see what kind of stator it is, it may be a floating ground( two phase), full wave stator. Or, it may be single phase, half wave... Most of the 4 PIN R/R's are only half wave.... There are some 4 pin R/R's that are full wave, the R/R will have fins on the top and side.... The pin out on your new R/R is as follows. Yellow A/C stator input (Line 1) Pink A/C stator input (Line 2) Green - Ground (Ground to frame, not battery) Red - 12 volt + DC out to battery (battery charge circuit) Black - (12 volt sense) (You hook the black wire to your ignition accessory circuit - This is not a charge wire or a power source: The function of this detects the charge and adjust the accoudingly) Hey dmartin , if you read my posts , what will happen if the black wire on my regulator is not hooked up ? Its been like this for over 3 years and haven't noticed anything. I don't have a black wire on my harness . As I understand it, the R/R has built in circuitry that will regulate the load AT THE REGULATOR... The black wire ties into accessory load on your ACC circuit of your ignition and detects the external load, then the R/R uses intelligent circuitry to balance the two.... So, If you don't hook it up, the only possible trouble will come from if you're pulling a big load that changes the voltage of the load on your ACC circuit and at the R/R... If the difference becomes too great, the R/R will be over or under charging your circuit. Remember,with DC, voltage drop occurs quick, even quicker when your using super thin chinese wire.... If you're going on 3 years and haven't experienced a problem, I'd say your good to go... A lot of scooters don't have the black wire on their R/R. Your scooter, if it doesn't have a black wire on your ignition, still has an ACC wire. Just a different color. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:08:51 GMT -5
Battery connections are good, battery is good have 12v to the starter. Everything else is hooked up exactly as it came off with the exception of the r/r. The stator is hooked up to the harness using the same wires and colors as the old one. Will look into more after work tomorrow. Allright... Have a good night... But remember what I said for tomorrow, for troble shooting, It's perfectly fine to un hook the R/R from the harness and try to start it. That will completely eliminate it being the cause of the scoot not starting (or reveal itself as the problem  ). |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 22:14:11 GMT -5
Hey dmartin , if you read my posts , what will happen if the black wire on my regulator is not hooked up ? Its been like this for over 3 years and haven't noticed anything. I don't have a black wire on my harness . As I understand it, the R/R has built in circuitry that will regulate the load AT THE REGULATOR... The black wire ties into accessory load on your ACC circuit of your ignition and detects the external load, then the R/R uses intelligent circuitry to balance the two.... So, If you don't hook it up, the only possible trouble will come from if you're pulling a big load that changes the voltage of the load on your ACC circuit and at the R/R... If the difference becomes too great, the R/R will be over or under charging your circuit. Remember,with DC, voltage drop occurs quick, even quicker when your using super thin chinese wire.... If you're going on 3 years and haven't experienced a problem, I'd say your good to go... A lot of scooters don't have the black wire on their R/R. Your scooter, if it doesn't have a black wire on your ignition, still has an ACC wire. Just a different color. OK , my scoot came with a 4 pole stator " yes a small 4 pole " . my new engine came with a 6 pole . I've noticed my headlights are still very week , nothing changed when I installed the new engine. When my scoot idles my headlights are barely visible. Could this be a result of not having the black wire hooked up ? And I'm lucky to have a battery last more than 1 year . I never thought it may be because of the RR wiring. Could there be too much voltage to the battery and not enough to the lights ? |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 22:22:04 GMT -5
This is the harness coming from the ignition.  |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 24, 2015 22:23:56 GMT -5
This is the harness coming from the ignition. The one on the left has always been open, nothing connects to it. The harness in the middle is the ignition . the wires flow from the left from the ignition . |
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Post by dmartin95 on Apr 24, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
As I understand it, the R/R has built in circuitry that will regulate the load AT THE REGULATOR... The black wire ties into accessory load on your ACC circuit of your ignition and detects the external load, then the R/R uses intelligent circuitry to balance the two.... So, If you don't hook it up, the only possible trouble will come from if you're pulling a big load that changes the voltage of the load on your ACC circuit and at the R/R... If the difference becomes too great, the R/R will be over or under charging your circuit. Remember,with DC, voltage drop occurs quick, even quicker when your using super thin chinese wire.... If you're going on 3 years and haven't experienced a problem, I'd say your good to go... A lot of scooters don't have the black wire on their R/R. Your scooter, if it doesn't have a black wire on your ignition, still has an ACC wire. Just a different color. OK , my scoot came with a 4 pole stator " yes a small 4 pole " . my new engine came with a 6 pole . I've noticed my headlights are still very week , nothing changed when I installed the new engine. When my scoot idles my headlights are barely visible. Could this be a result of not having the black wire hooked up ? And I'm lucky to have a battery last more than 1 year . I never thought it may be because of the RR wiring. Could there be too much voltage to the battery and not enough to the lights ? have you done any upgrades to your lights? Higher wattage? HID (Xenon) have you done other electrical upgrade? Your lights dimming at idle indicates you're drawing more power than your scoot produces at said RPM... it could be because of your wiring, if you're using all your stock electrical items. |
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