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Post by JerryScript on Feb 9, 2015 11:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by scooter on Feb 9, 2015 17:35:09 GMT -5
Some systems work on magnetism, some based on weight, new systems work on motion detection. Some older systems also have a strobe light detector that can be activated by flashing your high-beams, but I think those are pretty rare now days due to public abuse. Some people have strapped magnets to the bottom of their scooters and reported success. I have heavy doubts that magnets will work, even if an induction loop can be effected by a magnet, i doubt you'd find one strong enough. An electromagnet might work, and it would definitely effect the older magnetism systems, but those and weight ones i think are mostly gone. Actually at the light where its the biggest issue, even triggering the light would only help so much as the lights are purely sensor activated, and very hyperactive. I used to work in that area which is mostly industrial, and semis typically wound up running the lights because they switched so quickly. javarod, ramblinman, JerryScript, JoeyBee, scootdude, dmartin95, scooter For the red lights, try this. It's practically free and the worse thing that will happen is it won't work: To recap: Take a 12" piece of wire, form it into a circle, tie the metal ends together so it makes one conductor. Place as low to the ground on the scooter as possible, in the same orientation it would be if it were lying on the ground. Tape it on, tie wrap it on, whatever. Then try it out and tell us if it works.  I don't know if it needs to be solid or braided. I get the impression it may not matter. Interesting, i'm figuring some study is in order. Yes. I tried the loop, under the bike, on a stoplight that never gives me the left turn signal, this morning and it didn't trip that sensor. My bike alone has been tripping regular lights though. Next I want to lower the loop away from the bike to avoid interference from the frame, and see if that works. If that doesn't work, I'm going to try another mod on it and see what happens. What would be nice is to put the loop on a stick and try it out at a light, by hand, and see if it works, and if and how you have to move the loop to get it to work. From the article I was reading, it looks like you might have to move the loop either side to side, across the sensor, or parallel along the sensor. I'd like to keep working on this approach before getting into any electronics. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Feb 9, 2015 17:50:25 GMT -5
Hmmm, getting back to the original topic, i did forget one thing, gotta do something about this seat. The scooter stops, but i don't, which isn't good, and i keep forgetting to do something about it between rides. Any suggestions out there? I have wind breaker type of pants and they are so slippery on the Havoc seat.... I've worn other stuff, jeans, sweats it doesn't matter, the havoc seat is just too darned slippery!!! So far, I've just dealt with it, but there are options... Because our scooters are cloned after the Zuma, there's a great deal of after-market seat covers... Air Hawk is a nice brand but very, VERY expensive.... Anyhow, if ya search for Zuma seat covers you might find a solution to the slippery seat..... |
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Post by scootdude on Feb 12, 2015 11:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by javarod on May 26, 2015 6:21:29 GMT -5
Hmmm, getting back to the original topic, i did forget one thing, gotta do something about this seat. The scooter stops, but i don't, which isn't good, and i keep forgetting to do something about it between rides. Any suggestions out there? I have wind breaker type of pants and they are so slippery on the Havoc seat.... I've worn other stuff, jeans, sweats it doesn't matter, the havoc seat is just too darned slippery!!! So far, I've just dealt with it, but there are options... Because our scooters are cloned after the Zuma, there's a great deal of after-market seat covers... Air Hawk is a nice brand but very, VERY expensive.... Anyhow, if ya search for Zuma seat covers you might find a solution to the slippery seat..... Interesting to know that its modeled after that since from the front it doesn't really look like the Zuma i'm familiar with (dual headlights horizontal layout), and has much more mundane tires. |
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Post by javarod on May 26, 2015 6:45:01 GMT -5
Ok, so some news, and not all of it good. Just hit 500 miles today, yeah, i know, not riding it enough. Middle of the night is boring, and i all too often over sleep leaving me short on time to get to work, and this puppy ain't fast. Especially on hills, we're talking down to 20 by the time i reach the top on some of them. It actually died on me a couple weeks ago on the way to work which caused a bit of chaos. Basically tried to pull forward a bit at a light so someone could sneak around me and it died. With a bit of time and poking, got it running, got it to work and the next morning had it towed. A plus about Bintelli's, they include a year of free roadside assistance, so it didn't cost me anything to have it towed to the dealer. That said, the truck sent might've been a bit of overkill... 
Problem couldn't be reproduced, but since it was at 420 miles or so, had the 500 mile service done, and so far so good. Its made one trip to work (26 miles round trip), and one trip yesterday to a party in southtown (21 miles or so each way) flawlessly, so hopefully that's it. I will say that its throttle response off the line is definitely a little bit better, and the flat spot in the acceleration at around 15 seems to be gone. Top speed and hill speed though leave something to be desired.
No real other news, added a few stickers, need to add a few lights as well, try to get some pics later (might be changing source, Photobucket is apparently not compatible with HTTPS Everywhere, recommendations welcome). Opinion is still generally positive, though Binetelli needs to work on the fit and finish, the instrument cluster is slightly crooked, and what's with the plastic around the seat keyhole? That's what ugly looking flange. Oh, and the license plate light sucks, its basically behind the plate mount. Maybe redesign the tail light to light the plate much like a Jeep? Haven't taken a close look yet to see if its possible, but why not?
Well, onwards...
(Edit note, moved photo to new service as a test, let me know if it breaks)
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Post by dmartin95 on May 26, 2015 18:57:03 GMT -5
I have wind breaker type of pants and they are so slippery on the Havoc seat.... I've worn other stuff, jeans, sweats it doesn't matter, the havoc seat is just too darned slippery!!! So far, I've just dealt with it, but there are options... Because our scooters are cloned after the Zuma, there's a great deal of after-market seat covers... Air Hawk is a nice brand but very, VERY expensive.... Anyhow, if ya search for Zuma seat covers you might find a solution to the slippery seat..... Interesting to know that its modeled after that since from the front it doesn't really look like the Zuma i'm familiar with (dual headlights horizontal layout), and has much more mundane tires. There are subtle differences, but there are many parts that are interchangeable... BTW, you can get the dual light setup for your havoc if you like that style better.     |
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Post by JR on May 26, 2015 21:04:22 GMT -5
Ok, so some news, and not all of it good. Just hit 500 miles today, yeah, i know, not riding it enough. Middle of the night is boring, and i all too often over sleep leaving me short on time to get to work, and this puppy ain't fast. Especially on hills, we're talking down to 20 by the time i reach the top on some of them. It actually died on me a couple weeks ago on the way to work which caused a bit of chaos. Basically tried to pull forward a bit at a light so someone could sneak around me and it died. With a bit of time and poking, got it running, got it to work and the next morning had it towed. A plus about Bintelli's, they include a year of free roadside assistance, so it didn't cost me anything to have it towed to the dealer. That said, the truck sent might've been a bit of overkill... Problem couldn't be reproduced, but since it was at 420 miles or so, had the 500 mile service done, and so far so good. Its made one trip to work (26 miles round trip), and one trip yesterday to a party in southtown (21 miles or so each way) flawlessly, so hopefully that's it. I will say that its throttle response off the line is definitely a little bit better, and the flat spot in the acceleration at around 15 seems to be gone. Top speed and hill speed though leave something to be desired.
No real other news, added a few stickers, need to add a few lights as well, try to get some pics later (might be changing source, Photobucket is apparently not compatible with HTTPS Everywhere, recommendations welcome). Opinion is still generally positive, though Binetelli needs to work on the fit and finish, the instrument cluster is slightly crooked, and what's with the plastic around the seat keyhole? That's what ugly looking flange. Oh, and the license plate light sucks, its basically behind the plate mount. Maybe redesign the tail light to light the plate much like a Jeep? Haven't taken a close look yet to see if its possible, but why not? Well, onwards... Lot's of these strap on seat pads add comfort and a better grip, even can buy cheaper ones at Wal Mart for a ATV that do well. I used one for several trips to Dallas a couple of years back. I've made the trip to Dallas and back 5 times which is 408 miles one way and I would not make it without the pad because the seat on my 250B is very uncomfortable. If you're having a problem pulling the hills weigh your rollers and drop a set of sliders at one gram less than the OEM rollers and problem solved. JR |
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Post by javarod on May 27, 2015 1:16:57 GMT -5
Ok, so some news, and not all of it good. Just hit 500 miles today, yeah, i know, not riding it enough. Middle of the night is boring, and i all too often over sleep leaving me short on time to get to work, and this puppy ain't fast. Especially on hills, we're talking down to 20 by the time i reach the top on some of them. If you're having a problem pulling the hills weigh your rollers and drop a set of sliders at one gram less than the OEM rollers and problem solved. JR Ah, Ok, sounds like a plan, thanks. Bit of a note, looked at the license plate problem, and i can see the issue, they're already doing that with the tail light, the problem is the plate bracket. The American one positions the plate straight up and down, while the original design had the plate lean ing back against the fender. I should be able to bend it back (not that it really matters since a 50cc don't need a plate), but i wonder if it might be worth fabricating a better plate mount. Actually i wonder why they don't just mold the screw holes into the fender. |
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Post by javarod on May 27, 2015 1:19:26 GMT -5
Interesting to know that its modeled after that since from the front it doesn't really look like the Zuma i'm familiar with (dual headlights horizontal layout), and has much more mundane tires. There are subtle differences, but there are many parts that are interchangeable... BTW, you can get the dual light setup for your havoc if you like that style better. Ah, i do see it now, Znen basically redid the front end and the rear rack. Plus the one we had back in 08 had different tires, not off road tires, but they certainly looked less like street tires. I'm good with the lights, but i am trying to decide what to do with the upper one as it appears to be nothing more than decorative/parking light. Hmmmm, maybe a nice blue LED bulb to go with the scooter? Wonder what the laws on that are here in MO.... |
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Post by javarod on Jun 2, 2015 14:07:59 GMT -5
Hey folks, guess what...   Well at least i got a reasonable sized tow this time. Since it died in daylight this time we also got a better idea of what's wrong. Basically it bogs down and dies at about quarter throttle. Interesting part is that i noticed that the back wheel isn't turning when that happens. It occurs to me that during a big storm we had a couple months ago the bike got blown over. I didn't think much of it at the time, it started up fine, ran fine. Hmmm, i think something might've gotten loose or knocked askew, what y'all think? |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jun 2, 2015 20:34:02 GMT -5
Are Bintellis made by Adly these days?
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Post by javarod on Jun 3, 2015 1:28:03 GMT -5
Nope, while Bintelli - Justin or Bintelli - Jason could tell you more i'm sure, Bintelli is an importer and retailer, their bikes are made by Znen who's always (or at least since i started scooting in 08) been one of the most highly rated Chinese manufacturers. Adly Moto is made by Her Chee Industrial Company in Taiwain, and will now be being imported by Bintelli or i suppose rather their parent corporation, which means we'll be seeing 2T bikes in the US again. |
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Post by dmartin95 on Jun 3, 2015 12:19:59 GMT -5
Hey folks, guess what... Well at least i got a reasonable sized tow this time. Since it died in daylight this time we also got a better idea of what's wrong. Basically it bogs down and dies at about quarter throttle. Interesting part is that i noticed that the back wheel isn't turning when that happens. It occurs to me that during a big storm we had a couple months ago the bike got blown over. I didn't think much of it at the time, it started up fine, ran fine. Hmmm, i think something might've gotten loose or knocked askew, what y'all think? Getting knocked over could have something to do with it... Oil could've leaked into your CVT, but not likely...If it bogs down and the back tire is not turning, it could be your belt or something else in your CVT is bound... It's very hard to diagnose with such little info. Pop off your CVT cover and take a look at the belt and the rest of your cvt components. |
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Post by javarod on Jun 3, 2015 19:57:58 GMT -5
Well at least i got a reasonable sized tow this time. Since it died in daylight this time we also got a better idea of what's wrong. Basically it bogs down and dies at about quarter throttle. Interesting part is that i noticed that the back wheel isn't turning when that happens. It occurs to me that during a big storm we had a couple months ago the bike got blown over. I didn't think much of it at the time, it started up fine, ran fine. Hmmm, i think something might've gotten loose or knocked askew, what y'all think? Getting knocked over could have something to do with it... Oil could've leaked into your CVT, but not likely...If it bogs down and the back tire is not turning, it could be your belt or something else in your CVT is bound... It's very hard to diagnose with such little info. Pop off your CVT cover and take a look at the belt and the rest of your cvt components. Yeah, i know. Still, better than the last time, it was at night and i didn't realize anything more than it was dying at quarter throttle, so at least we have a direction to look in. The shop's going to do that soon as they can get to it. Prolly have them check to see if its restricted, and maybe change the weights while their at it too. Hmmm, wonder if that'll kill the warranty. |
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