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Post by javarod on Feb 3, 2015 22:27:27 GMT -5
Ok, just got home half hour ago from picking up an 87 Honda Elite for my Were which means i won't have to share mine  . Needs a little body work, and the battery is dead, but it fires up eagerly on the kick start. That said, it is spitting out a bit of blue smoke, not all that surprising because its a two stroke, and an old one, but should it? Its eager off the line, perhaps too eager, the idle seems a bit high and it noticeably loses power as i near the top of the throttle. Anything i should look at or replace considering the age and unknown maintenance history  ? We will need to get a box for this thing, its got basically no storage space to speak of. Can you still get a newspaper rack or a basket for the front? EDIT: OK, found the title, memory sucks, is actually an 87, wondered why i was having trouble finding info online •DOH!!• |
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 3, 2015 22:38:08 GMT -5
Hmmmm,,when it loses power back off the throttle a we bit and see if the power comes back on...if it does that means its not getting enough fuel there in the top,,could be carb related,,if it still bogs then it could be too much fuel.
Alot of times the fuel will foam up in the bowl on these if the float level is not just right causing issues with fuel air mix.
Could even be an ignition problem...does it pull hard uphill under load?
If so,,the ignition should be fine....
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 3, 2015 22:49:16 GMT -5
Which 1984 Elite 80cc or 50cc?
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 3, 2015 23:04:59 GMT -5
Its eager off the line, perhaps too eager, the idle seems a bit high and it noticeably loses power as i near the top of the throttle. Anything i should look at or replace considering the age and unknown maintenance history ? Sounds like the rollers or sliders in your variator are too light. You could try increasing the weight by a gram or two to increase the top of throttle. As for the maintainace checklist, I would add checking the belt, rollers or sliders (which ever you have), variator, and clutch assemblies. And it should go without saying with your long history on Scoot Dawg several oil changes should be performed on the Honda. One before you drive it again, then another after a couple rides. You never know how much sludge is in there. |
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Post by javarod on Feb 3, 2015 23:31:30 GMT -5
Hmmmm,,when it loses power back off the throttle a we bit and see if the power comes back on...if it does that means its not getting enough fuel there in the top,,could be carb related,,if it still bogs then it could be too much fuel. A lot of times the fuel will foam up in the bowl on these if the float level is not just right causing issues with fuel air mix. Could even be an ignition problem...does it pull hard uphill under load? If so,,the ignition should be fine.... Pulls fine up to a point, then loses some power, and all you need to do is back off to get it back. I agree that its likely too much fuel, considering that the scooter seems to be revving a bit at idle (it'll roll forward on its own), i'm thinking the throttle is set wrong or the idle is. Riding it home came with no surprises, power is steady aside from the noticeable dip if you go too far on the throttle, though it loses some speed on hills, but what do you expect? Which 1984 Elite 80cc or 50cc? 50cc AFAIK, though i have to double check. Shouldn't make a real difference though should it? I'm thinking right now in terms of general 2 stroke maintenance, is there any real difference between the two motors beyond the amount of horsepower and specific parts used (carb, spark plug)? Sounds like the rollers or sliders in your variator are too light. You could try increasing the weight by a gram or two to increase the top of throttle. They could be worn, but should presumably be stock as i there's no signs that this was ever modded in any way Mmmm, thanks, some of that i had kinda forgotten/failed  to mention, basic CVT service is definitely a good idea, minimally the belt and rollers should big check. As to oil change, its a two stroke, self changing as it were. |
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 3, 2015 23:44:25 GMT -5
javarod You are correct about oil change. I forgot it was a 2 stroke.
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Post by javarod on Feb 7, 2015 21:18:49 GMT -5
Ok, been a bit busy, but as you noticed i changed the title. Thanks to looking at the title, i found out that i was wrong about a couple details. Thanks to Motor Scooter Guide i learned more about it. The ride home topped out at about 30MPH and considering that its a 'P' model that means it was never desrestricted. Interesting, apparently i'll need to change the rollers, muffler and jet to fix that, but do i need to do it all at once, or can i just upgrade bit by bit? |
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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 7, 2015 22:23:57 GMT -5
Upgrade one at a time. If you start throwing a bunch of modifications on at once, if something doesn't "jive" you will have a of a time determining what is causing the problem.
I would say change the muffler then work on tuning the carburetor by jetting. Once the carb is in a happy place experiment with rollers to find what gives you the desired RPMs, low end and top end speed. Heavier for slower take off but higher top end, lighter for faster take off but longer time to max speed.
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Post by javarod on Feb 8, 2015 9:35:08 GMT -5
Upgrade one at a time. If you start throwing a bunch of modifications on at once, if something doesn't "jive" you will have a of a time determining what is causing the problem. I would say change the muffler then work on tuning the carburetor by jetting. Once the carb is in a happy place experiment with rollers to find what gives you the desired RPMs, low end and top end speed. Heavier for slower take off but higher top end, lighter for faster take off but longer time to max speed. Actually it should be really easy on this scoot. Its a rather interesting beastie, it was sold for one year, and is odd that its a two stroke as Elites are typically four stroke. There were four versions, Canada (sporty), US (economical), P (30MPH limited moped), and Iowa (25MPH limited moped). To derestrict it, i just need to swap in the US standard parts, so it should be an easy job. But the budget doesn't allow buying all the parts at once, so its doing it a piece at a time, or simply collect all the pieces and do it in one shot, depending on which is best for the scooter. |
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Post by javarod on Jun 16, 2015 6:53:49 GMT -5
Ok, lets revive this. At this time i've done nothing, but i'm getting ready to. I figure i'll focus on two areas, the transmission and the muffler, since those seem to have been Honda's favorite way to restrict a bike. CVT kit Its undoubtedly over kill right now, but i figure might as well upgrade now since we're expecting to need rollers, and i think the clutch is sticking. This'll take care of most of the desrestricting needed, though i'll have to check for a spacer. Apparently Honda used a different ramp for the P & Iowa versions, this'll give us a standard one, new clutch, and weights plus a few other new parts. Muffler's are a bit confusing, but this looks to be the right one, just a basic stock. Or would i be better off getting a performance pipe (assuming i can find one)? Is anyone familiar with the seller? Obviously i'd prefer to shop locally, but parts for this seem to be a bit hard to find for some reason. And of course, what else should i do? Changing the belt while i'm in there is obvious, would a Misuboshi be good enough, or should i upgrade to the Battlescooter belt? Carb jet should be a #  , if its smaller that obviously needs to change, or should i upgrade that? Basic tune up of course (clean or replace filters, replace plug, ?). Is there any point to ignition upgrades such as a hotter coil or CDI? |
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, if its smaller that obviously needs to change, or should i upgrade that? Basic tune up of course (clean or replace filters, replace plug, ?). Is there any point to ignition upgrades such as a hotter coil or CDI?