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Post by jromeo350420 on Jan 29, 2015 11:44:27 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I'm new to the forum and this is my first post, so please go easy! I just did a valve adjustment but I really don't know much about how the end result should sound.. I made a Youtube video 10 seconds long so you could hear what I mean... Any input? Sound OK? Too loose? Thanx in advance for any info you may have!
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Post by JoeyBee on Jan 29, 2015 11:47:27 GMT -5
What lash clearance did you use?
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Post by jromeo350420 on Jan 29, 2015 12:06:31 GMT -5
I have read soooo many settings for this, so I know to get it right is going to take a WHILE if what I read was correct... (should adjust, test ride, then have to wait a couple hours till the engine cools again to re-adjust) I started at .005 for each. I think my problem is setting the timing. I have watched soo many videos and read soo many pages that I am 98% sure I have it set right.... I even rotate the engine 2 complete turns to make sure it lines back up properly. I adjust the valves, start it (it starts), then lie up the timing and check the clearance again and no matter how tight i have the nut it seems to be closed when i go to re-check it. EVERY time! Then the gap is off and I try again. Before i did this the scooter purred like a kitten. I just don't wanna run the scooter if I'm going do damage something. It just sucks that I can only try once every 2 hours or so
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Post by JoeyBee on Jan 29, 2015 12:20:58 GMT -5
First it should be .004 - .005 inch. Most people do .004inch intake, .005 exhaust. I have seen other swear by .003inch intake, .004inch exhaust. Once you get the process down its very easy to determine what your scoot likes.
Next is TDC. When turn the flywheel it should line up with the T mark. Sometimes it's a hair off but that's okay. The biggest thing with the 150s is only turn clockwise. NEVER EVER turn it counterclockwise when adjusting the valves. Even the smallest movement counterclockwise will cause the cam stopper to engage and cause the adjustment to not stay. That may be what's happening to you.
I'm sure some of the veteran members here have tips to ensure your are TDC. It took me 5 or 6 times to get the adjustment correct. Now I can do it in 10 minutes flat.
And a slight ticking is a good thing. But very light ticking. Once the ticking stops, that means you should adjust them again. From factory they don't tick. But that is because the valves are set to about 0.0 to keep the EPA happy.
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Post by jromeo350420 on Jan 29, 2015 12:33:08 GMT -5
That might explain why I thought my exhaust valve was totally closed at first.. Also, and I hope I'm not the only one admitting this, but i keep hearing that "ticking" is good but "tapping" is bad... I am sure everyone's definition of each is different so where on earth do I find an example showing the CORRECT difference between each? If i knew what a click sounded like compared to a tick I could listen and adjust properly.. I play the guitar so I have good tonal skills.
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Post by JoeyBee on Jan 29, 2015 14:11:32 GMT -5
It's hard to tell hear with my 150cc. Or maybe I just have gotten used to it. It has been just over 300 km on my odometer since I adjusted them.
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Post by JoeyBee on Jan 29, 2015 15:20:11 GMT -5
I set my valves to .004inch intake / .005 inch exhaust.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Jan 29, 2015 16:09:49 GMT -5
i see this "T-mark" stuff all the time. the t-mark is "timing" as in spark, meant to be used with a timing light just like a car (although not adjustable without some mods so mostly useless) while close it does not indicate "TDC" like sooo many perceive it to be. even without mods the spark fires prior to tdc even though only a couple degrees. that said you should always go by the holes in the cam sprocket (aligning the two small holes with the edge of the head and being able to see a larger hole top center) for tdc when adjusting your valves. also, this anti reverse thing does nothing, and i mean nothing. never once has rotating my engine backwards affected anything ever and i have much experience in this (being scared from reading about said in the beginning, only to find......nada). i haven't edited my vid yet but will try tonight, but it clearly shows me spinning the cams forward and backward without a single glitch. make sure you are at TDC with something along the lines of a chopstick. take your plug out, and while applying pressure to your piston using the plug hole as a fulcrum. slowly turn the engine forward and backward. you will feel the direction change just before and after TDC. do it until you are sure it is actually TDC, then check to insure your sprocket is aligned properly with the edge of the head. if not you will have fix this, and vids or with our help you can correct it, but going to assume for now it is correct, and your problem lies with using the "T-mark" instead of the sprocket holes.
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Post by jromeo350420 on Jan 29, 2015 17:20:47 GMT -5
Actually I did it first with the holes, large being up with the 2 little ones even with the side of the case. I even have 2 lines next to the little holes as a guide. Then i walked around and checked the very inaccurate T mark and I saw it right there lined up just to make sure. If it sounds OK then I should be good. I just don't wanna run it if it doesnt sound good. It revs fine, idles fine, and starts fine now. I just don't wanna burn out the engine already. It only has 2400 "miles" on it and I got it at @550.
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Post by JoeyBee on Jan 29, 2015 18:14:14 GMT -5
dyoung1167I agree that using the alignment holes on the cam is the primary method to obtaining TDC. I forgot to add that into the post. As far as moving counter-clockwise I strongly disagree with you. Maybe you don't have a cam stopper on your engine, but OP may. It is just a very good practice. This is a cam stopper. And it's affects have been throughly discussed. scootdawg.proboards.com/thread/8313?page=1
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 29, 2015 20:15:47 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I'm new to the forum and this is my first post, so please go easy! I just did a valve adjustment but I really don't know much about how the end result should sound.. I made a Youtube video 10 seconds long so you could hear what I mean... Any input? Sound OK? Too loose? Thanx in advance for any info you may have! It sounds just a bit loose to me, but that is actually OK. A slight bit loose will tighten up over time, the soft chinese alloy allows the valve to push into the head a bit, causing the valve stem to come out a bit further, which is why they tighten up over time.
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Post by jromeo350420 on Jan 30, 2015 2:41:21 GMT -5
Cool thanks! Can you point me to a good place for info on getting my brake light to work? It's a combo bulb that worked fine its whole life, then after some work on the scooter a few weeks ago, it didn't come on for about a week. Then it came on last week, only for me to notice again today when I thought I was all done, that it is out again. I have wiggled all wires and the scooter starts fine. The running light portion has been fine. Maybe try a $2 bulb first? BTW.. Should this be a new thread?
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 30, 2015 7:11:14 GMT -5
Best to start a new thread for a separate problem.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Jan 30, 2015 14:19:50 GMT -5
dyoung1167I agree that using the alignment holes on the cam is the primary method to obtaining TDC. I forgot to add that into the post. As far as moving counter-clockwise I strongly disagree with you. Maybe you don't have a cam stopper on your engine, but OP may. It is just a very good practice. This is a cam stopper. And it's affects have been throughly discussed. scootdawg.proboards.com/thread/8313?page=1 exactly what i have and will show tonight it's absolutely zero affect. i understand what is thought and for good reason because it LOOKS like it does something, but in the end it simply does nothing. the cam is fully able to spin quite freely in both directions and there is no linkage the affects the rocker arms either. i need to get a couple zip ties to keep it in place for a vid, as holding it by hand and rotating is a pain.
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 2, 2015 3:45:12 GMT -5
Mine also has the cam stopper and I am able to rotate in both directions . it may kick in at a quicker rotation rate.
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