|
|
Post by lain on Dec 24, 2014 20:45:47 GMT -5
Tried using a different pickup, no change.... I got the 3 electrode plugs on ebay, I got a deal 10 of them for 22 bucks, last pack tho.
|
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 24, 2014 21:54:12 GMT -5
have you tried a regular spark plug ?
John
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 24, 2014 21:56:16 GMT -5
have you tried a regular spark plug ? John I just have an iridium plug and 10 3 electrode plugs. the 3 electrode plugs worked fine, the no start issue is more recent. |
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 24, 2014 22:20:43 GMT -5
on your cdi the two wire connector black/white , see if it is ground or just floating . Test it with the key on and key off .
John
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 8:58:25 GMT -5
on your cdi the two wire connector black/white , see if it is ground or just floating . Test it with the key on and key off . John Floating? How do I test for that? I don't even know what that means... Well I just looked up what floating means, and still have no clue. All I got from the definition is that it is not ground and it requires expensive sensitive measuring tools to measure which I am sure I do not have... Sorry If I'm not the most savvy when it comes to scooters. Not sure what you are looking for but I did a little extra just in case it might help. Please read below tvnacman So I checked for ground by using the ohmz setting by connecting one probe to the black/white wire on the cdi and the other end on the frame of the scooter. While key switch is turned off it showed up at 0 ohmz, when i turned it on it showed up at 0, when i flipped the killswitch to engine on it showed a little below 0, but not much, I then tried cranking and it bounced around a bit between 0 and 1, while still holding the brake and it went down to about half between 0 and 1, then I decided to check for electricity and at 0.5 mA setting it picked up about 0.1 mA of DC voltage flowing through the same connection, I let go of the brake and it went back to 0, I then checked the ohmz again and was a little under 0, I flipped the killswitch to off and it went back to 0, I turned the key switch off and still at 0, I turned the killswitch on still at 0, I turned the key switch on and it went a little below 0 again, I turned the killswitch to engine off and it went back to 0. |
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 25, 2014 10:36:05 GMT -5
That black/white wire when is has continuity to ground it will kill your spark . Can you pull the wire out of the connector . Then check for spark . What scale were you using ?
John
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 10:43:14 GMT -5
That black/white wire when is has continuity to ground it will kill your spark . Can you pull the wire out of the connector . Then check for spark . What scale were you using ? John Ohmz X1K it says on the meter, there is only 1 ohmz range. I will go try now, I just need to figure out how to get the wire out of the harness without damaging it. |
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 11:11:45 GMT -5
That black/white wire when is has continuity to ground it will kill your spark . Can you pull the wire out of the connector . Then check for spark . What scale were you using ? John When disconnected the black/white wire shows 0 when the killswitch is off and then when I turn the killswitch to engine on the meter says about 200 on the ohmz setting. |
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 25, 2014 11:33:53 GMT -5
are you sure zero look at the top row , infinite on the left side zero on the right side .
John
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 12:00:45 GMT -5
are you sure zero look at the top row , infinite on the left side zero on the right side . John Yes I am sure, it was on the other side at 0 not infinity. If I was unsure and I had been saying infinity was 0 then ALL of my reading up to this point would have been wrong... I know how to read numbers and I know what an infinity symbol is. Also, no spark still. Just found a regular spark plug, it was old I cleaned it up and tried it as well. So with the regular spark plug, the iridium plug and the 3 electrode plug all of them have no spark. And I tried 5 different 3 electrode plugs as well. So since it will not spark with the black/white wire remove from the cdi does this mean the cdi itself is bad? |
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 25, 2014 12:48:53 GMT -5
sounds like the cdi is making ground via the black/white wire and killing your spark .
don't get annoyed by it you will beat it . Its a biff in the head problem we are just overlooking .
John
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 13:01:55 GMT -5
sounds like the cdi is making ground via the black/white wire and killing your spark . don't get annoyed by it you will beat it . Its a biff in the head problem we are just overlooking . John But when I tested the black/white wire without it being in the cdi it showed up at about 200ohmz. It is supposed to be infinity? Should I also test the cdi itself without the black/wire in it? The black/white wire is the wire to the killswitch right? If I disconnect the switch can I try to start it without it? My only concern is my electric starter does not work unless the killswitch is in the engine on position. Not sure if it helps at all since it was about a few weeks ago my kickstarter stripped but I do remember before my kickstarter got stripped I was using that for a while to start and it always started on the first or second kick, I was using it because the electric wouldn't work 75% of the time. I thought it was just because of the cold but it sort of acted like how it is acting now. Though wouldn't cold (it was between 28-32 the days I am talking about) weather normally make it hard to start? Just wondering if this may have been an issue that was just getting worse and I did not notice it because I was already having issues with the electric starter not pushing enough to start it up or would get the bendix wedged between the disc with the teeth that is on the end of the shaft after the variator and belt. Today it is about 50-60 degrees and it is good weather for riding but sadly no spark : ( |
|
|
|
Post by tvnacman on Dec 25, 2014 13:12:57 GMT -5
do you have a kickstand switch , with everything in the run position you should have infinite on the black/white wire .
John
|
|
|
|
Post by alleyoop on Dec 25, 2014 13:32:54 GMT -5
Here is a good Video on how to test for NO SPARK:
No Spark:
0. Killswitch not on run position, Top Black and White wire on 2 plug CDI is grounded.
1. Bad Ground from motor to frame
2. Bad Spark Plug
3. Bad Spark Plug Boot Cap
4. Bad Boot Cap not making good contact with Coil Wire
5. Bad Coil
6. Bad CDI
7. No power to CDI, Bad Stator(IF AC), If DC weak battery or bad keyswitch or no power to key switch because IF DC the Cdi gets it power when the key is turned to the on position.
8. Bad Pickup Coil
Alleyoop
So to find out which part is bad you need to follow the SPARK flow to the plug.
|
|
|
|
Post by lain on Dec 25, 2014 14:11:49 GMT -5
do you have a kickstand switch , with everything in the run position you should have infinite on the black/white wire . John No kickstand switch. What could cause the black/white wire to not drop all the way to infinity? Why was I able to pickup a small DC current on that same wire when I was holding the brake? Was it just cuz I was measuring using the wire and the frame where the brakes ground to? Why did I have no spark even after removing the black/white wire? |
|
..BAD TO THE BONE..