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Post by captaincrunnk on Nov 22, 2014 22:50:19 GMT -5
Okay guys, so here's my current dilemma at 3800 miles.
About three weeks ago I was on my way home and lost my exhaust nuts. This was after a couple weeks of noticing a metallic rattle/clinking noise that I would come to realize was the noise of my exhaust shaking more and more as the nuts holding it on slowly shook more and more loose.
So I replaced those nuts and everything has been good up until today. I was taking a quick scoot to the post office right up the street and I got some serious bogging and stuttering while I was riding. It also has stalled on me both times I took it out for a run to try to replicate the problem. It stalls after the stuttering and bucking happens and I get back on the throttle. Got back to the house and did some inspection. My results led me to find that
A) I have exhaust leaking out at the head, enough to blow around sand and leaves on the ground beneath the scoot, but not a crazy amount. I believe I must have lost my gasket when I lost my nuts (heh) and not realized it. Otherwise the stock gasket is just no longer suitable. Either way I have ordered a new gasket.
B) Upon inspecting my CVT I realized that the belt has a bit of a slappy/floppy thing going on when I let off the throttle and decelerate, probably right around 2k RPM is when it happens. There is also a nice coating of black powder in the CVT cover, and I just cleaned it all out completely about two weeks ago. The belt itself makes a little bit of noise when this happens but nothing too alarming sounding.The belt also is showing metal through the rubber on the side facing the CVT cover as well as in a line on the flat side of the belt. Either way I also plan on replacing the belt this week as I suspect the stock belt is reaching its end and these are all signs of this. Would I be correct in this assumption?
As best as I could tell I don't have any air or fuel leaks, and she still starts just fine. If there's anything anyone can add or suggest to check out I'm more than open to suggestions since I've got nothing but time this weekend to sort it out.
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Post by geh3333 on Nov 23, 2014 1:53:41 GMT -5
Your probably gonna have to go through the carb , vacuum lines , and I would adjust the valves if you haven't done so yet . I does sound as if its gonna be a problem in the fuel system . could also be an electrical issue such as the cdi, or coil . also there should not be any metal in the belt . what your seeing is probably the threads in the belt , but no metal . the variator and clutch pulley wouldn't last long with a metal laced belt . I'd go with a good replacement belt , do not buy a cheap no name . you should buy either a gates or bando . most prefer gates , you really Can't buy a better belt then gates . i like the gates Kevlar "aramid" belts . On a normal stock setup a kevlar gates belt should last between 8,000 and 10,000 miles "that's if your not riding the scoot really hard " .
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Post by captaincrunnk on Nov 23, 2014 2:36:42 GMT -5
I certainly do plan on checking out all my fuel lines more thoroughly and adjusting the valves. I just did a valve adjustment about a month ago, but that was also probably 500+ miles ago as well, and I did them a bit tighter than my first one prior. Could be any little thing at this point really, I just have to figure out exactly what. % positive it's nothing crazy at least.
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Post by rockynv on Nov 23, 2014 8:42:06 GMT -5
Check the drive faces for damage/grooving. If you got enough vibration to shake loose the exhaust flange you need to correct that so you do not have a repeat performance. Exposed belt cord can groove those soft aluminum drive faces in pretty short order which is why its best to replace a belt well before you start having a problem.
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Post by xyshannen on Nov 23, 2014 10:51:30 GMT -5
The slapping of the belt is pretty normal. It happens as the engine's RPMs slow down and both pulleys in the CVT open and close. The increment amount of time between the variator opening vs the clutch closing causes some slack in the belt. This slack causes it to make a slapping noise. It does get worse as the belt ages and stretches some.
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 23, 2014 14:17:33 GMT -5
Capt. cvt and bogging are two different things . This is the order in which I would tackle your stated symptoms . I would replace the exhaust gasket and hardware , then check the valves and adjust if needed . Go for a ride see if the bogging goes away . I would wonder if the exhaust valve seat got damaged , compression test it . If you did not ride it with the exhaust leak the valve is most likely ok . If your compression is low I would pull the head and lap the valves . I have had a bogging problem come on all of a sudden , however it was not at the same time as an exhaust leak . My turned out to be from the carb . At that time I decided to replace my carb for a Keihin and Manifold all the vac and fuel lines . This way I know everything is was taken care of and complete . Provided that cleared up the bogging problem for you I would move onto the cvt . That too would get a complete overhaul , belt rollers fresh greasing with a full break down of the clutch and variator . John
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Post by captaincrunnk on Nov 23, 2014 14:57:40 GMT -5
Capt. cvt and bogging are two different things . This is the order in which I would tackle your stated symptoms . I would replace the exhaust gasket and hardware , then check the valves and adjust if needed . Go for a ride see if the bogging goes away . I would wonder if the exhaust valve seat got damaged , compression test it . If you did not ride it with the exhaust leak the valve is most likely ok . If your compression is low I would pull the head and lap the valves . I have had a bogging problem come on all of a sudden , however it was not at the same time as an exhaust leak . My turned out to be from the carb . At that time I decided to replace my carb for a Keihin and Manifold all the vac and fuel lines . This way I know everything is was taken care of and complete . Provided that cleared up the bogging problem for you I would move onto the cvt . That too would get a complete overhaul , belt rollers fresh greasing with a full break down of the clutch and variator . John I recall that when my exhaust bolts came off and I was around the corner from my house it acted in a similar way to how it is now, bucking and stuttering. I feel like bogging may be the wrong word for what I'm dealing with. I can be fairly certain the new hardware will take care of most of the issue. Valves are definitely a little tight right now too for sure; they're practically silent, and they've never been silent in this scoot's lifetime. I'll have what I need to remedy my exhaust leak around Tuesday and report back after the replacement and valve adjustment. I was planning on replacing my carb sometime next month anyway, so if my carb is taking a dump then I'll probably just push those plans ahead if the above doesn't solve the issue. Thanks John
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 23, 2014 15:56:22 GMT -5
no problem capt. any time my number is in my banner if you get hung up .
John
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Post by captaincrunnk on Nov 30, 2014 14:34:08 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen....The answer is.....
Improperly seated spark plug boot. -_-
Lol, I completely neglected to check that until I was going in to do my valve adjustment today. At least the scoot has had a nice tune up anyway.
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Post by scooter on Dec 1, 2014 0:12:55 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen....The answer is..... Improperly seated spark plug boot. -_- Lol, I completely neglected to check that until I was going in to do my valve adjustment today. At least the scoot has had a nice tune up anyway. I hate that! I have replaced my plug boot twice since June. I think my engine was possibly running too hot. Someone suggested that could have been the reason for the failures. I'm glad you found your problem!
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