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Post by geh3333 on Dec 12, 2014 20:54:52 GMT -5
Gonna be heading out in the morn again , temps should be around 30 degrees . last week I acquired a horrible stomach virus and was sick for a couple days . I'm not sure if it was from riding in the cold or if it was something inevitable. Also my battery fix isn't holding up to well , my battery is not building up pressure and leaking as it charges , so its time for a new battery . I'll prob pick one up this weekend.
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Post by lain on Dec 16, 2014 11:58:49 GMT -5
Layers, layers, and MORE LAYERS! I wear a t-shirt under 2 longsleeve loose fitting shirts, and depending on the temp and conditions I wear either 1 or 2 sweatshirts, both kind of loose, then I use 1 longsleeve soft cotton shirt wrapped around my face works great as a neck guard and it goes all the way down past your chest so it protects you a bit more! Finally ontop of all of that I wear a big fluffy coat.
For gloves I have been wanting to get winter riding gloves but haven't had the money, so instead I have some hand warmers stuffed in my fingerless gloves on underneath simple winter gloves. For boots, I have hardened toe boots to protect from the wind and rain and snow. I also wear a full helmet that both the visor and the front of the helmet flips up, so at stops I can flip up the whole thing and blow my nose! lol
The key to protecting yourself in the winter is to wear clothes that creates air pockets between you and the outside layer of your clothing, your body will fill those air pockets with warm air and the outside layer has to be strong enough to protect the inside from wind so your precious heat does not get swept away!
As far as my craziest winter riding stories, I was riding last year right through the winter here in Boston, MA. I was riding when it was snowing and -20 degrees.
Tips are to go slower, always use all signals even if you don't think you need them just do it anyways, modify your light circuit so you can have both the regular light and highbeams on at the same time, make sure to dim your highbeams when approaching oncoming drivers. When turning on snow lean less than you normally would, make sure to slow down before turning, then apply a very slow but steady increase in throttle while taking the turn, and ease off the throttle at the ends of turns.
Always look for and avoid shiny surfaces on the roads, sometimes its hard to see them though especially when there is already an inch of snow on the ground. If you slip, DO NOT FREAK OUT, remain calm! Depending on which way you slipped from and are slipping to, push your body weight into the direction that you are slipping from, and away from the direction you are slipping to, at the same time lay off the throttle gradually, not all at once, and also at the same rate apply your front brake (only front, do not use the rear brake in this situation or you'll see what a guard rail looks like) increase the front brake pressure as you decrease the throttle, then once you have a good balance throttle up gradually and avoid doing that again! This will all happen in only fractions of seconds, but you can do it!
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Post by lain on Dec 16, 2014 12:21:16 GMT -5
Gonna be heading out in the morn again , temps should be around 30 degrees . last week I acquired a horrible stomach virus and was sick for a couple days . I'm not sure if it was from riding in the cold or if it was something inevitable. Also my battery fix isn't holding up to well , my battery is not building up pressure and leaking as it charges , so its time for a new battery . I'll prob pick one up this weekend. Get a sealed battery, 7amp or better, try to check out the cca (cold cranking amps) get the highest you can, mine is 90cca. I use 0w40 synthetic mobil1 oil for the winter, it provides noticeably easier starts in below freezing temps. Usually what holds you back from starting in the cold is that while using the electric starter the battery is strained by the intense cold, it uses more power and there is a significant loss of power when the spark plug tries to ignite the gasses inside the combustion chamber. Most of the time because of the use of power going to both the coil and the starter it cannot push the motor in sync with the timing of the ignition so when it ignites it is not at the power stroke in the 4 stroke process to push the piston and give the power to keep it running, usually when the starter is running slower due to cold for me the engine is in the exhaust stroke when it tries to ignite. It is good to install a switch to keep the lights off when starting, wire anything else that is not necessary with off switches too. Best way to prevent your battery from getting ruined by the weather is to install your kickstarter in the cold weather and always use the kickstarter first! It usually takes me 1 to 3 good kicks to start it in below freezing temps. After you have warmed up the engine it should be fine to use the electric starter with minimal issues and little to no damage to your battery. Once the temp gets into the negative range just forget about the electric starter and stick to the kickstarter. Sometimes if it is a dry day you can use the kickstarter a few times to push the engine around and free the oil from the crank, then use the electric starter. Also, do not kick hard in the winter, I've broken the case into pieces that way! lol
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Post by william42 on Dec 16, 2014 14:38:22 GMT -5
I'm from Wisconsin so believe me when I say I can dress for cold weather. But living down in Mississippi where the summer temps get well into the 's for months on end, and given that my scooter was broken in during those summertime temps, she doesn't like the cold at all. For starters, I don't like the way that auto choke thingy revs the engine when she's first started in the morning when it's cold out. In the summer it's fine but when it's 30 degrees, well, that's a different matter. I don't think a cold engine should be reeved that high until the choke lets go. At least not on a single-cylinder 150cc anyway. And when the choke comes off I have to give it some gas for a minute or two until it idles on it's own. Then it takes a few miles for the entire bike to get warmed up. The variator is stiff, the belt is stiff, the wheel bearings are stiff, everything is stiff and doesn't like the cold one bit. I don't think it's a good idea to subject my cheap little Chinese Scooter to that type of stress and strain so I've decided I'm not going to start her up anymore unless the temps are above 40 degrees. She doesn't seem to mind those temps too much and, ok, I'll admit it. I'm getting too frickin' old for those temps too. Maybe I'm just getting soft to cold temps living down here. Betsy Mae is just a Scooter. She's not a rock. And neither am I. My two cents worth...
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Post by JerryScript on Dec 16, 2014 18:51:51 GMT -5
I have a friend who years ago used to stuff an old electric blanket around his motor on the coldest days. He would leave it there as he got ready for work, he said anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour, and when he pulled it off and pressed his starter, it always roared to life instantly.
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 17, 2014 0:12:06 GMT -5
I'm from Wisconsin so believe me when I say I can dress for cold weather. But living down in Mississippi where the summer temps get well into the 's for months on end, and given that my scooter was broken in during those summertime temps, she doesn't like the cold at all. For starters, I don't like the way that auto choke thingy revs the engine when she's first started in the morning when it's cold out. In the summer it's fine but when it's 30 degrees, well, that's a different matter. I don't think a cold engine should be reeved that high until the choke lets go. At least not on a single-cylinder 150cc anyway. And when the choke comes off I have to give it some gas for a minute or two until it idles on it's own. Then it takes a few miles for the entire bike to get warmed up. The variator is stiff, the belt is stiff, the wheel bearings are stiff, everything is stiff and doesn't like the cold one bit. I don't think it's a good idea to subject my cheap little Chinese Scooter to that type of stress and strain so I've decided I'm not going to start her up anymore unless the temps are above 40 degrees. She doesn't seem to mind those temps too much and, ok, I'll admit it. I'm getting too frickin' old for those temps too. Maybe I'm just getting soft to cold temps living down here. Betsy Mae is just a Scooter. She's not a rock. And neither am I. My two cents worth... You are absolutely spot on when it comes to the cold starts . many have the same issue , as the auto choke closes off you have to give it throttle for an extra minute or two before it is able to idle on its own. Other then cold starting issues, my scoot runs great in the cold weather
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Post by lain on Dec 17, 2014 12:34:24 GMT -5
I'm from Wisconsin so believe me when I say I can dress for cold weather. But living down in Mississippi where the summer temps get well into the 's for months on end, and given that my scooter was broken in during those summertime temps, she doesn't like the cold at all. For starters, I don't like the way that auto choke thingy revs the engine when she's first started in the morning when it's cold out. In the summer it's fine but when it's 30 degrees, well, that's a different matter. I don't think a cold engine should be reeved that high until the choke lets go. At least not on a single-cylinder 150cc anyway. And when the choke comes off I have to give it some gas for a minute or two until it idles on it's own. Then it takes a few miles for the entire bike to get warmed up. The variator is stiff, the belt is stiff, the wheel bearings are stiff, everything is stiff and doesn't like the cold one bit. I don't think it's a good idea to subject my cheap little Chinese Scooter to that type of stress and strain so I've decided I'm not going to start her up anymore unless the temps are above 40 degrees. She doesn't seem to mind those temps too much and, ok, I'll admit it. I'm getting too frickin' old for those temps too. Maybe I'm just getting soft to cold temps living down here. Betsy Mae is just a Scooter. She's not a rock. And neither am I. My two cents worth... You are absolutely spot on when it comes to the cold starts . many have the same issue , as the auto choke closes off you have to give it throttle for an extra minute or two before it is able to idle on its own. Other then cold starting issues, my scoot runs great in the cold weather I do tuneups at every season change, try experimenting with different valve gaps and install a switch for the autochoke so you can feed some power into it before you start it up to autochoke it before, also install another switch to turn off the autochoke if you have really hard time starting, however I understand your feelings on the cold. I can say from experience, the cold does not hurt it if you take care of it and will make it feel faster and smoother with proper maintenance. It gets a small bit of performance from the cold weather, I have ridden in below freezing temps, after the engine is warmed up it should be fine.
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Post by lain on Dec 17, 2014 12:37:48 GMT -5
I have a friend who years ago used to stuff an old electric blanket around his motor on the coldest days. He would leave it there as he got ready for work, he said anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour, and when he pulled it off and pressed his starter, it always roared to life instantly. How did he wrap it? This is good information for getting started in below freezing temps. Did he wrap it around the bottom where the oil pan is and tie it up or did he plop it ontop of the engine above the carb and engine? I know heat rises so it would seem to make sense to wrap it on the bottom under the oil pan but I want to know how he did it.
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Post by JerryScript on Dec 17, 2014 12:43:07 GMT -5
He wrapped it from the bottom up, stuffing the ends in around the cylinder or where ever there was room. One thing I would watch out for, there is always a fire danger when putting a heating element in contact with grease and other combustibles on the engine (my friend was the "you live only once" type). One short circuit in a greasy electric blanket could roast your ride!
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 17, 2014 23:34:33 GMT -5
You are absolutely spot on when it comes to the cold starts . many have the same issue , as the auto choke closes off you have to give it throttle for an extra minute or two before it is able to idle on its own. Other then cold starting issues, my scoot runs great in the cold weather I do tuneups at every season change, try experimenting with different valve gaps and install a switch for the autochoke so you can feed some power into it before you start it up to autochoke it before, also install another switch to turn off the autochoke if you have really hard time starting, however I understand your feelings on the cold. I can say from experience, the cold does not hurt it if you take care of it and will make it feel faster and smoother with proper maintenance. It gets a small bit of performance from the cold weather, I have ridden in below freezing temps, after the engine is warmed up it should be fine. I usually adjust the air fuel on the carb when it gets so cold , however it seems as if the auto choke should run a bit longer in cold weather . I have an oil dipstick with the thermometer built in to it and the oil temp doesn't even seem to begin to rise for a minute of two after the autochoke closes off.
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Post by lain on Dec 18, 2014 12:24:01 GMT -5
I do tuneups at every season change, try experimenting with different valve gaps and install a switch for the autochoke so you can feed some power into it before you start it up to autochoke it before, also install another switch to turn off the autochoke if you have really hard time starting, however I understand your feelings on the cold. I can say from experience, the cold does not hurt it if you take care of it and will make it feel faster and smoother with proper maintenance. It gets a small bit of performance from the cold weather, I have ridden in below freezing temps, after the engine is warmed up it should be fine. I usually adjust the air fuel on the carb when it gets so cold , however it seems as if the auto choke should run a bit longer in cold weather . I have an oil dipstick with the thermometer built in to it and the oil temp doesn't even seem to begin to rise for a minute of two after the autochoke closes off. If you want the autochoke to run longer try installing an on/off switch, turn the switch on after about a few minutes of warming up then after about 2 minutes after you turn the autochoke on it should fully engage and block off the extra gas. Why do you adjust the gas/air mixture? I have never had to do that to get my ride running right in the cold, or at all, I just use different oil (0w-40). The oil I use in the cold is lighter at startup so it does not hold the engine back from cranking fast enough for the electric starter to get it working in below freezing temps.
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Post by tvnacman on Dec 18, 2014 16:21:15 GMT -5
MA get a little colder than NYC , but I will tell you if I go back to the 35 main jet . I will will have to prime my fuel system to get my engine running below 45 degrees it takes 3 tries to get it to idle in the 20's . I do not ride when there is ice on the roads .
John
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 18, 2014 18:56:11 GMT -5
I usually adjust the air fuel on the carb when it gets so cold , however it seems as if the auto choke should run a bit longer in cold weather . I have an oil dipstick with the thermometer built in to it and the oil temp doesn't even seem to begin to rise for a minute of two after the autochoke closes off. If you want the autochoke to run longer try installing an on/off switch, turn the switch on after about a few minutes of warming up then after about 2 minutes after you turn the autochoke on it should fully engage and block off the extra gas. Why do you adjust the gas/air mixture? I have never had to do that to get my ride running right in the cold, or at all, I just use different oil (0w-40). The oil I use in the cold is lighter at startup so it does not hold the engine back from cranking fast enough for the electric starter to get it working in below freezing temps. Many of us have to adjust the air fuel on the carb due to the colder dense air . especially with a bigger carb ,they can sometimes be a pain to tune in, then with the advanced timing and other mods you can really tell the difference in how the scoot runs and idles in cold weather .I necessarily don't have to but I like my scoot to run as close to perfect as possible. That is a good idea with the autochoke I may have to add a switch to it like you said.
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 30, 2014 7:50:50 GMT -5
Just got back from a 30 mile round trip. The temp outside was 17 degrees and again all was well except for my hands . I really have to get a pair of heated gloves ! Well I have off today so back to playing Mike Tysons punchout !!
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Post by geh3333 on Jan 3, 2015 2:25:27 GMT -5
This cold weather riding is great " other then the frozen fingers,lol" I went on my normal 30mile rd trip Tuesday and had her at full throttle the whole 15 miles into town. There are not many cars on the rd at 4:30am around here . and at 17 degrees I managed to run 60+ mph uphill , and between 70-75 on flats and small declines " the 75 was on the small declines of course ". I hit 80mph down a steep hill by the Walmart in Uniontown and that was at only 8000 rpms ! Its something hitting 80mph on these small scoots ,lol.
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