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Post by jabulon on Nov 15, 2014 4:54:48 GMT -5
Hi all! I am a relatively fresh rider - got my permit and a Honda pcx125 about six months ago. I am a risk taker, and it cost me with three low speed skids as I was figuring out my and the bike's limits. About two months ago, a friend needed a lift (she weighs around 140lb), and I eagerly agreed. Everything went quite weird as I wasn't accustomed to the added weight, so I figured I just had to adjust my cornering and the rest of the ride went smoothly. Yesterday, another friend needed a lift (he weighs around 190lb) and I though that his heavier weight should not make any difference as compared to the previous passenger. This was an awful experience for the both of us ! I realized that I had to give way much throttle from stops, and immediately felt that the rear wheel spun out of control. I tried to adjust the amounts of throttle over the next several stop lights, but in vain: even the most smooth and gradual throttling produced lost of traction at the rear wheel. Although manageable, I felt I did not have nearly as much control as I had with the other passenger. This however was only half of this pickle. Whenever I've approached stopped traffic, I've begun slowing down as I would with the added momentum considered; however, toward the last 50 ft or so, the bike swiwered out of control and I had to just stop using the brakes for a sec to regain control. This was the last straw and I decided to discontinue the ride and let my friend take the bus as I mounted the bike alone, thinking that perhaps something went wrong with the bike. I started riding, and found it to behave just like any other day - nothing seems to be wrong. Now, I was in a car accident a month ago, and the scooter sustained some minor damage to the fairings, but nothing serious. I am now begining to think that perhaps there was internal damage(perhaps suspension?) the tires both inflated (will check PSI today..). My question to the community is, am I alone? Is there anyone who can share a different experience? Thanks in advance for a reply !
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Post by hillbillybob on Nov 15, 2014 8:16:35 GMT -5
Your scooter is overloaded, check your data plate for allowable weight, and I bet your tire is way under inflated to boot.
As a side note....risk takers on two wheeled vehicles = big problems.....hope you come to realize this before it's to late.
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Post by JerryScript on Nov 15, 2014 10:58:30 GMT -5
The only accident I've had on a scooter was with a passenger, and it was due to loss of traction as well. I have since learned to really pay attention to the scooter's response when I have a passenger on board, and knock-on-wood I haven't had any more trouble.
The passenger makes a huge difference, and if they don't mirror you, then you have to compensate for their unwieldy weight. Nothing worse than a passenger leaning the opposite direction you are because they don't know how to ride!
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Post by spidergoat813 on Nov 15, 2014 11:34:13 GMT -5
Scooters can't really hold a lot of weight like a motorcycle could. Like said above, check the plate for max weight, more then likely you exceeded it. Heck you can exceed it really easily, they're not mules.
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 15, 2014 12:06:23 GMT -5
I have had a passenger a few times , I kinda think you may have some damage from the accident and it might be a good idea to have someone else have a a close look at it . I had a very minor wiggle in turns on my scooter , then found an upper motor mounting bolt at the frame missing . The symptom was very minor but the defect was major , could have caused my engine and rear wheel to disconnect from the frame .
Air on the side of safety .
John
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Post by bandito2 on Nov 15, 2014 12:23:26 GMT -5
Yes, you seem to have been severely overloaded. And BTW, your rear wheel is not loosing traction. The problem is the front wheel is being unloaded; you are loosing steering control. If the heavier person were up front controlling the bike and both the rider and passenger sat as far forward as possible, it would be more stable to some degree, but more uncomfortable, still overloaded and not exactly safe.
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Post by ricardoguitars on Nov 15, 2014 13:26:42 GMT -5
You shouldn't be riding with a passenger if you just learned how to ride a bike, you should get a few 1000s miles of experience first, make yourself comfortable with the bike and get your reflexes sharp; I don't want to sound like an angry mother here, but remember that you are responsible of your passenger's life when your are driving. Take a look at this video:
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Post by rockynv on Nov 17, 2014 4:53:20 GMT -5
Did you set the rear spring pre-load for taking a passenger? If not with a 190 lb passenger you may have been locking up the rear tire against the fender.
The PCX 125 has a 275 lb curb weight and about 11.17 hp so its really powered for moving 400+ lbs. You may had exceeded the clutches capacity and had a ton of slippage too. Be mindful that most 125cc scooters have around a 280 to 330 lb max capacity however you have to set the rear springs to the max preload setting and increase the pressure in the rear tire as per the owners manual before you can safely load the bike up to full capacity. My bike has a 465 lb capacity and I weigh 245 so I can take up to a 220 lb passenger safely only if I adjust the collars on the rear shocks to their highest setting and increase the rear tire pressure to whats specified in the owners manual or as listed on the inflation plate on the bike.
All that said you may still have hidden damages on your bike from your accident as I have transported a 190 lb passenger on my Lance Vintage 150 putting 415 lbs on a bike rated for only around 330 lbs and not had the problems you have described. Of course having 40 years riding experience I set the preload,at MAX, inflated the tires for full load, took it slow and did not ride any major roads avoiding pot holes, speed bumps, etc.
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 17, 2014 9:08:13 GMT -5
I'm probably still a relatively "fresh" rider, too. Although I've had my scoot many years now, I've only driven about 3000 miles (various reasons).
I would NEVER take a pillion/passenger!
A friend mentioned maybe she could take a little ride with me, see what it's like. I apologized that wasn't happening. I won't even take my best friend who's ridden bikes for 30+ years so will know how to be a good passenger. If he comes to visit and wants to ride, he'll get to drive while *I* ride pillion on my own bike.
Just not a particularly safe thing to do until you're completely and fully comfortable with yourself alone on your bike. Unless you took the MSF class and had a friend riding pillion with you.
>'Kat
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