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Post by urbanmadness on Oct 19, 2014 0:14:41 GMT -5
I know it's not a scooter. But most of, if not all, will apply to those who wish to paint/air brush a scooter. First let me say, I use a lot of rattle cans and you can get some pretty decent results, if you practice. My favorite is Rustoluem, Acrylic Lacquer. It has a wide range of colors, (as long as you want black or white) and a really decent clear. I actually haven't tried the black Rustoum lacquer, but I have used their oil based enamel black, and it has a brown tint to it, kind of like a Hershey bar if the light hits it just right. Not always desirable, so I pretty much just use the white. I started with the saddle bag covers, because they were in poor shape. 32years of throwing your leg over and scuffing it with your boots will put some pretty big gouges in them, and the one's on my bike were deep. I filled and sanded for about a week, in the evenings. I had to shape them, sand off the old pin stripes, and get them pretty much in shape for paint. I ended up doing several guide coats getting all the low and high spots sanded out. I did it all pretty much by hand and with a small palm sander. You just don't go with anything too aggressive when you are working with plastic. I finally was satisfied with the paint. All white, of course. It was then time to put on two coats of clear. You may ask, why did I clear coat before the air brush work? Well, the biggest reason, I didn't want the covers to sit for a week for the paint to completely cure before I started masking off stuff. The clear coat really helps flash the paint and keeps it from lifting when I remove the tape. No lifting, less sanding and touch up work. Next thing I did was experiment on an old scooter panel I had laying around. I painted it white, then airbrushed the skulls with my airbrush (again, lacquer paint in the air brush) and let it dry. A quick note about thinners. DO NOT USE thinner for acrylics for lacquer. I ran out of thinner and grabbed the wrong stuff, and was cleaning out the air brush for about 2 hours. Buy and use the proper thinner for the paint you are using.... The paint literally turned to jelly, huge mess to clean up. So off to the hobby store, I found some nice pearl candy red in a spray bomb.... and guess what... it was lacquer.... So, I bought a can of it as well as more thinner and black paint. Then I went and bought some automotive pinstripe tape, in silver. Back to my test panel. I then gave it a pass with the candy red, and it looked good... Very cool.... but would it be compatible with my clear coat? I let it cure for a few hours and hit it with the clear, and it looked amazing. No bubbling, hazing, etc. So now it was time to mask everything off with painter's tape and go for it. After I finished the airbrush work, I then laid down the pin stripes. Yes, pin stripe tape is a pain to work with, but it's worth it. I then let it dry for about 2 hours and hit with some more clear and the results, really do look awesome.
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Post by scooter on Oct 19, 2014 1:28:51 GMT -5
I know it's not a scooter. But most of, if not all, will apply to those who wish to paint/air brush a scooter. That looks really good. From a distance, looks like bowling ball, and then you see the skulls. Pretty sweet!
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Post by surfpick on Oct 19, 2014 6:01:28 GMT -5
Nice work. Lacquer is the way to go. Enamel takes too long to cure. I use Naptha as a cleaner & thinner, which I believe can be used with both enamel & lacquer.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 19, 2014 9:54:36 GMT -5
Urbanmadness,
GREAT look! If you ever happen to catch "Counting Cars" on TV, you would probably get a kick out of "Horny Mike", the airbrush guy. That man is the FASTEST and most spontaneous skull-painter I've ever seen. His work looks much like yours, and THAT is definitely a compliment.
I've watched him progress over a few years from a "decent" painter, to darned-near world-class! He's known for his skull motifs, but has a serious knack for mixing unusual combinations of translucent candy colors over metalflake. His work is slightly reminiscent of the complex paint often seen on high-end Mexican low-riders. Some of his bike paint schemes have included candy RED and candy GREEN together. THAT is a definite "no-no" since red and green are complementary colors, and make "mud" when mixed... Not so with Horny Mike! He somehow shoots in some candy yellow while all is wet, and makes it work. That kind of creativity is REALLY neat!
Anyway, you might find him VERY interesting as an inspiration to try different things...
Please do post pix when the Gold Wing is done!
Sincerely,
Leo in Texas
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Post by urbanmadness on Oct 29, 2014 1:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by scooter on Oct 29, 2014 2:37:56 GMT -5
Ooooweeee! That is going to be one sharp looking bike right there now!
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Post by scooter on Oct 29, 2014 2:42:59 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys a question. I painted a part on my bike with lacquer out of a can. After a week or two it was dry enough that it didn't "mush" when I pressed my thumb into it. It had a ton of orange peel. I sanded that of and polished it with rubbing and then polishing compound. I waxed it and it looked fine. Then I added a second coat of wax and forgot about it for a while. When I came back, I couldn't get the haze off. It was as though it was embedded into the paint. I ended up scotchbrighting it off. What's going on there? urbanmadness surfpick oldchopperguy
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 29, 2014 9:38:16 GMT -5
Let me ask you guys a question. I painted a part on my bike with lacquer out of a can. After a week or two it was dry enough that it didn't "mush" when I pressed my thumb into it. It had a ton of orange peel. I sanded that of and polished it with rubbing and then polishing compound. I waxed it and it looked fine. Then I added a second coat of wax and forgot about it for a while. When I came back, I couldn't get the haze off. It was as though it was embedded into the paint. I ended up scotchbrighting it off. What's going on there? urbanmadness surfpick oldchopperguy You went about it correctly. Automotive lacquer in aerosol cans can provide a totally professional finish, but today, some lacquers act more like enamel. Rustoleum lacquer is particularly bad about that, often acting as you describe. It literally takes WEEKS or even longer until it's fully-cured. THAT sort of defeats the whole purpose of using lacquer... FAST dry, FAST finishing and durable.
If you stick with brands made for automotive use, like Dupli-Color, you should be fine, and able to wet-sand, rub-out and wax in just a few days. Coats of lacquer DOES "melt" into the previous coats, so you don't want to build up a lot of coats... The top will cure fast, and the lacquer below may be sealed under the cured top-coat, and remain soft for a long time.
Some of the non-automotive-oriented lacquers like Rustoleum however CAN be great when used as a clear-coat finish. It cures slowly, but dries with a glassy-smooth gloss finish, requiring little or no sanding and rubbing-out. If some orange-peel is there, at least it CAN be sanded and polished once fully cured. Enamel doesn't take well to sanding/polishing, thought it is possible. But lacquer is better.
Don't give up... You ARE on the right track. I've painted numerous old bikes with rattle-can lacquer back in the day, and they looked fabulous!
Leo in Texas
PS: Also remember, you cannot paint LACQUER over enamel. It will curdle and "alligator-skin" the enamel. You can however, paint ENAMEL over cured lacquer. Some painters like to use a clear gloss-enamel for the finish on a lacquer job. It looks great, but does take FOREVER to cure... LOL!
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Post by rockynv on Oct 29, 2014 11:59:16 GMT -5
Depends on the reducer that you use for the enamel. The faster the reducer the duller the finish. Just don't accidently put reducer in lacquer.
To many a GoldWing is just a really big scooter.
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Post by urbanmadness on Oct 29, 2014 12:09:30 GMT -5
I am actually using rustoluem lacquer. What I found is you want to put that first coat on very light.... then run heaver a heavier coat. Leave it sit overnight, wet sand with 800 touch up or add a coat if needed sand 800 again, then clear...
The clear coat is key to protecting the paint and it really does make the finish much more durable.
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Post by scooter on Oct 29, 2014 16:04:22 GMT -5
I am actually using rustoluem lacquer. What I found is you want to put that first coat on very light.... then run heaver a heavier coat. Leave it sit overnight, wet sand with 800 touch up or add a coat if needed sand 800 again, then clear... The clear coat is key to protecting the paint and it really does make the finish much more durable. Are you using a lacquer clear or something else?
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Post by urbanmadness on Oct 29, 2014 17:12:37 GMT -5
Rustoluem acrilic lacquer for base and clear coats and model master laquer for the air brush work.. and model master candy in a rattle can. Also lacquer.
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Post by urbanmadness on Nov 3, 2014 0:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by scooter on Nov 3, 2014 1:54:32 GMT -5
That is going to be such a nice ride. You can get on it when you have gone to the garage and then you still need to get away.
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Post by urbanmadness on Nov 6, 2014 21:08:05 GMT -5
Just a link to the video..... enjoy
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