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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 0:20:35 GMT -5
i was i dontknow, thinking the belt lowered in teh back, and the belt rising, on the front as it, goes. as its doing action. and they start by not moving. so going. and the belt rising on the drive face. belt rise vs clutch depth. the amount of where the belt is at on the rear driven pulley. riding on the top or riding down in the driven pulley, any amount.
so i answered from there. didnt think it was impossible to read it. and these guys are going off on some technical crap. about some clutch thats not even supposed to work that way. clutches arent by definition that. whats the clutch? what makes it go? the clutch weight sets? the clutch springs? they dont actually name anything clutch.
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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 0:21:47 GMT -5
your the ones with the lets talk about how far down lets pull the belt down like you reach down with your hand to do it. as your riding down the road to get yourself some more smaller circle in the back for the belt to spin around. thats an impossible question. becuase. now.
alright.
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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 0:22:53 GMT -5
the rear circle the belt spins around being smaller would be a smaller circle and it is connected to the tire. and less to spin would be more engine speed if the ENGINE IS CONNECTED TO THE REAR.
so you have to actually CONNECT IT WITH A BELT. so you CAN NEVER CONNECT IT. just by measuring.
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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 0:26:06 GMT -5
SO I READ THIS TOPIC AS I .. did.
You guys must i dont get it. im getting a laugh about how you where actually carrying this conversation on with this guy. ? then getting jokes about me. ahahahah OH MYYYY GOD.
so. i think the belt should FIT LIKE A GLOVE FOR BEST performance.
so your question is answerd but oh no these 2 guys gotta go on. and on. and on and on and on.
lets drop it. you can have this conversation if you want. I dont want to be nothign part of it. if thats understood by you guys. becuase i believe yoru wasting your life.
Understand some BASIC MATH. principles. go find a math book. its them ones labelled, hard.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 0:41:47 GMT -5
I'm actually starting to feel bad . Rex there is a way to mark the variator to see how high the belt is climbing . This is done by marking the variator with a marker and as the belt climbs the mark u make will show how high the belt is climbing . We do this to see if everything is working properly . The question aslo asked if there was a way to see how far down the belt was running in the clutch pulley . To do this u make a mark further down in the clutch with a marker . U need to pull the clutch pulley apart some so u can get a mark down far enough in the pulley . So as the belt drops in the clutch pulley it will pass over the mark u made and then u can check to see how far it is dropping . And you have the wrong idea about what a clutch is . When u order a clutch u get a clutch . Look up clutch assembly on eBay and you will see what it is . You think that a clutch is an action but it is a physical part to a scooter , car etc. just like an engine which consists of physical parts to make the engine . An engine is not gas and air as a clutch is not the force in which makes it work .
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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 0:54:16 GMT -5
geh. you didnt even listen to me did you? you cant measure and find out how far the belt is going to go down in the pulley.
heres a few questions. answer those for me.
why would he want to do that?
i can see why in the front. but i cant really see why, though. as seeing the belt isnt adjustable and theres no adjustments to it. it can only perform as engineered.
there is no adjustability to it. it only performs as engineered to do. the better engineering and specs kept up to, the better it will run.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 1:15:26 GMT -5
One thing you said does make sense , why measure how far down the belt drops in the clutch pulley ? Well since he knows it's not rising high enough on the variator he wants to see how far it's dropping in the clutch pulley , so he asked how to do so , and we told him how . Now like you said why" since he already knows it is not rising fully on the variator " I guess just because he was curious . Yes belts are not adjustable but there are different lengths u can buy for a long case 150cc .
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 1:18:20 GMT -5
Just to let you know there are ways to adjust how far down the belt drops at certain rpms .
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 6, 2014 1:25:46 GMT -5
Left me try and tell you WHY he wants to know if the belt in the clutch pulley is as far down as it can be.
Now currently he marked the Variator and he said it climbed up 1/4 of an inch from the edge of the variator pulley SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
He wants to know if the belt is sitting 1/4 from the edge has it pulled the belt all the way down as far as possible in the clutch pulley. IF SO then with the current belt he will not be able to get the belt to climb any higher on the variator pulley for more top end speed. So now he knows to get more top end speed he needs more rpms to turn the Variator faster.
Now also he has another choice he could get a belt that is say 1/8 longer to have the belt climb higher for a little more top end speed. As you know or should know a bigger wheel will turn a smaller wheel faster.
BUT, if he can find that with the 1/4 left on the Variator IT HAS NOT pulled the belt down as far as possible he then knows all he needs is possibly just a little heavier weights or just more rpms to get the belt to climb higher and have the belt pulled down further in the pulley and thereby get more top end speed.
But to determine that he needs to find out how far the belt has been pulled in the Clutch pulley to determine what he needs for a little more top end speed. And the only way is to MARK the bottom of the Clutch pulley face and see how much of a mark is left at the bottom.
Hope this explains it for you and answers all of your questions. And by the way in either case he can get more top end by putting in taller tranny gears.
Alleyoop
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Post by rexxk on Jun 6, 2014 1:45:26 GMT -5
my point is, use the right belt. you dont have to worry since the transmissions are not adjustable.
just try some heavier roller weights. you can kind of tell when the variator shifts. if its too early and it seems like 2nd gear at 5mph in your car, then youll know. and lighten them. thats when you lighten. take that witha grain of salt. if yoru bike wont poull and you iknow your in 2nd and it hapenned too early. oh say 10-20-25 or maybe around 30mph or something. ive seen most of these bikes shift around maybe a 30 or 35mph at stock. its hard to tell like on my bike, unless you derestrict the stock restriction. really. besides the usual things theres a built in restriction. but to see the top of the marker get hit. put in heavy weights. just take it extreme on the cvt. yuoull find out. put heavy, and take it down an extreme downhill. to get th etop speed youll get. you mighgt have to push it back up or go 5mph but.. and then check your sharpie marker mark.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 1:55:27 GMT -5
Your right alley , I just figured since he is using an 842 he should be able to get higher on the variator " that is to me there should be no doubt he isn't running all the way down the clutch pulley due to the space left on the variator " . Also I thnk the gears he is using with the stock bore are gonna give him problems.
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 6, 2014 2:00:27 GMT -5
my point is, use the right belt. He could already be using the right belt, and in that case he needs more RPMS and or DIFFERENT WEIGHTS. But there is a catch to it, if you put in little heavier weights to squeeze the Variator more to push the belt up higher in the Variator, Heavier weights will cause you to loose rpms. So now your in a pickle you got the belt up higher but because you lost some RPMS now the Variator is NOT TURNING as fast as before and you will actaully loose top end. If you put in lighter weights you need more RPMS to get the belt to climb as high as before and even more RPMS past that point to get the Variator to squeeze together to get the belt higher than before. You have to know how this all works to get the best out of your CVT you can only go so far with it and then its time to put in taller tranny gears so you can run at lower RPMS and get more speed. You do not want to be running at WOT at high rpms, high rpms is what blows motors. As far as the gearing he can go mild 1 up and 1 down for a 3-4 mph gain on the top end. The most I recommend for a stock motor is 2 up and 2 down and it will still pull pretty good. Once you go more than that with a stock motor then it will be sluggish on the low end. Alleyoop |
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 2:04:34 GMT -5
Yes he can just try heavier weights and see if the belt rises on the variator . If he knows that the belt has more room to drop in the pulley and the heavier weights don't work then he will know there is something wrong with the clutch pulley and I guess of it is already at the Bottom of the clutch pulley and he has 1/4 inch left on the variator the. The belt may not be an actual 842 . So yes there are things you can learn from marking the clutch pulley
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 6, 2014 2:05:15 GMT -5
Well it is late and I am hitting the sack, you guys chew on that for a while  One thing I forgot to mention in my explanation is the clutch pulley OPENS ONLY SO FAR so you FIRST need to open it up and push the belt down and see how far the belt will ACTUALLY drop in the pulley. THEN put a mark on pulley at that point and take the belt off then from that mark go up with your mark. That way you will know if the belt is pulling the clutch pulley apart as possible and there is no more to be gotten at the clutch pulley. Alleyoop |
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 2:10:11 GMT -5
That's right alley there are so many variables to consider , I've always said it's a tuning process . I feel running a stock variator on those gears may be ok but with the 115 mm your asking the engine to pull heavier weights now to raise the belt . Not saying it can't be done I'm just sayin it may be to much .i just wish I knew what weights he is using now
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..BAD TO THE BONE..