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Post by wutzthedeal on May 7, 2014 17:50:26 GMT -5
Oops, it was me. WAYALL. I was losing patience. Was going gd 20mph today with the wind in my face. Effing loggerheads were waddling by going, "Daaaaaayam, brah. You might as well walk, son." I kept tweaking this and screwing that, and nothing was helping. Alleyoop, who is always wise but who I'm too stooopid to listen to sometimes said the 9g was just too much, but I had gone back to a 7g/9g slider mix and noticed no improvement--leaving me to think I might as well stick with the 9g for the hope of higher top end and , they were new. So I went with just the 3 9g sliders (equal to, theoretically, my mind said, 6 4.5g sliders). I just knew I would blow some shi8 up, but I got my speed back! Only problem is I barely had to touch the throttle to almost redline the Chinatac; got to 7k rpm like right now, but so did my acceleration. I could seriously ride a wheelie on this now. So, now comes the obvious question; I will go ahead and probably get a new set of 6 4.5g or 5g sliders, but can this 3-slider setup hold out for now? Or even indefinitely? If so, the 9g sliders i just wasted my cash on won't go to waste. Am I gonna destroy my scoot's motor at 7.5krpm?
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Post by wutzthedeal on May 7, 2014 20:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by alleyoop on May 7, 2014 21:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by wutzthedeal on May 9, 2014 16:32:49 GMT -5
UPDATE: Cannot advise doing this 3-weight set up. I had a gut feeling I should go ahead and drop generic rollers in to get a 6-roller config. again--I knew I'd lose rpm and speed as these are about 7g generic rollers but just sensed the scoot had a bit too much oomph for a 49cc. So I took it apart and found a disaster at the variator even though it still ran/sounded ok: the higher rpms and/or heat and/or off-balance situation (or possibly the shiddy v-slides I got on my new, third variator--all 3 have sucked as far as the guides staying in place, factory included), the v-guides disintegrated, one 9g slider was virtually destroyed, the fan was melted in half and destroyed, and other damage was done to the variator like the outer plate digging into the posts; part of the brass of one of the 9g Dr. p sliders was melted onto the variator plate. I REALLY enjoyed the higher-rpms and takeoff which I'd never had with this scoot, and only peaked at about 7.5k rpm chinameter, 8k absolute max, but I knew I was asking too much. So due to my experience with this scooter, my size, and the fact that it is just a 49cc, what I'm going to do is just settle on a mid-to-high quality variator with 6g Dr. P sliders and that's it. Not putting any more into it. If I only get 30mph, that's what I get.
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Post by millsc on May 9, 2014 21:06:23 GMT -5
Why not get a set of 4 or 5 gram sliders they will work fine, I ran four and five gram mix until I upgraded the springs 4.5 grams no issue.
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Post by wutzthedeal on May 9, 2014 22:21:23 GMT -5
I will millsc; just ran the 9s cuz that's what I had. 7s were worn out. Now I'm running the rollers that came w/last variator, so we're back to 25mph tops til I get a new variator and sliders (using the old variator and rollers that came with the new one; as I said, the new variator is now destroyed).
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Post by jjoshua20213 on May 11, 2014 9:46:14 GMT -5
Oops, it was me. WAYALL. I was losing patience. Was going gd 20mph today with the wind in my face. Effing loggerheads were waddling by going, "Daaaaaayam, brah. You might as well walk, son." I kept tweaking this and screwing that, and nothing was helping. Alleyoop, who is always wise but who I'm too stooopid to listen to sometimes said the 9g was just too much, but I had gone back to a 7g/9g slider mix and noticed no improvement--leaving me to think I might as well stick with the 9g for the hope of higher top end and , they were new. So I went with just the 3 9g sliders (equal to, theoretically, my mind said, 6 4.5g sliders). I just knew I would blow some shi8 up, but I got my speed back! Only problem is I barely had to touch the throttle to almost redline the Chinatac; got to 7k rpm like right now, but so did my acceleration. I could seriously ride a wheelie on this now. So, now comes the obvious question; I will go ahead and probably get a new set of 6 4.5g or 5g sliders, but can this 3-slider setup hold out for now? Or even indefinitely? If so, the 9g sliders i just wasted my cash on won't go to waste. Am I gonna destroy my scoot's motor at 7.5krpm? Pretty sure that was me that told you your weights were too heavy. I think your problem might be you heavy slider weights with and without a bbk my weights had to have been between 5.5g-6.6g or my top speed was effected. Tried 8 gram weights once and the top was effected. 3 weights were a bad idea. If it were stable i'm sure some would come manufactured like that. It allows the engine to rev out of band which wastes gas and could possibly over heats the engine. Also causes the variator to rotate unbalanced. 7.5-8k sounds normal for full throttle. depending on your weight. From what you described you have a variator situation. Many scooters never go through 1 but your on your third one. The variator should never get hot enough to melt the fan, be glade your belt didn't go. Running 3 weights in the variator didn't cause this. Ive ran with 3 before. I would just put back in the stock rollers until you get new one unless they are really worn and won't gain any speed at all. |
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Post by wutzthedeal on May 11, 2014 14:00:58 GMT -5
Thanks jjoshua, yes you also told me about weights being too heavy. Alleyoop told me also. I figured millsc had the right idea and we've gone through similar 49cc journeys (except me getting no bbk/clutch stuff) and I had read over and over that heavier weights would cost you low end but bring top end, which is what I need on these old country roads (mostly flat, as well). Thanks for all the great advice. I think my problem has been these cheap effin v-sliders; only on the factory one did they slip into place and stay (clip in). I'm now looking for a med-to-high quality variator w/6g sliders.
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Post by millsc on May 11, 2014 14:09:51 GMT -5
I ran 9 grams with a koso and a 1.5 main spring, which would be like 5 grams with a stock spring and variator, but also I had heavily modified scoots with bigger motors.
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Post by jjoshua20213 on May 11, 2014 20:15:05 GMT -5
Thanks jjoshua, yes you also told me about weights being too heavy. Alleyoop told me also. I figured millsc had the right idea and we've gone through similar 49cc journeys (except me getting no bbk/clutch stuff) and I had read over and over that heavier weights would cost you low end but bring top end, which is what I need on these old country roads (mostly flat, as well). Thanks for all the great advice. I think my problem has been these cheap effin v-sliders; only on the factory one did they slip into place and stay (clip in). I'm now looking for a med-to-high quality variator w/6g sliders. You mean those3 things that go on the variator face place to guide of in and out of the variator? Just use the ones from the stock variator. Or try to flip ams switch them around. In had this problem too. If that face plate don't freely move in and out then that is a big part of the problem there. The 3 pieces don't clip on anything they should fit on very loosely and fall out if not held into place. |
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Post by wutzthedeal on May 11, 2014 22:13:29 GMT -5
Yeah those sliders. If they fit loosely, I end up finding them in chunks inside the case. Sometimes they are still in-place, but they must be really cheap plastic because I've found peices broken off of them. Alleyoop said to get a Koso so I'm talking to tvnacman now, hoping I don't have some issues that is somehow eating through variators like the thing it sits on being crooked or something which I read can happen (the main shaft? something like that)..
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
