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Post by pkmffl on Apr 23, 2014 10:38:59 GMT -5
Hey Everybody, Just got introduced to the scoot life. I inherited a non-working '08 Shenke 150cc from my brother. I changed the spark plug and fiddled around with the carb and got it started, so I rode it into work today I think that allows me to make my first post. Still need to register the thing and get insurance. I guess I'm riding dirty right now. Questions... 1. Since it's over 150cc do I need to get a motorcycle license? 2. Helmet or no? 3. Insurance - how much am I looking at? 4. The electric start doesn't work. I assume this is a common problem. Should I worry about fixing it or is the kickstart ok? Any other tips?
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Post by PCBGY6 on Apr 23, 2014 11:24:26 GMT -5
Welcome to the board.
We have a few people from Texas here so you should get the answers you're looking for by this evening.
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Post by Paladin on Apr 23, 2014 16:22:59 GMT -5
... 1. Since it's over 150cc do I need to get a motorcycle license? 2. Helmet or no? 3. Insurance - how much am I looking at? 4. The electric start doesn't work. I assume this is a common problem. Should I worry about fixing it or is the kickstart ok? Any other tips? See Texas Law: www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/There is no such thing as a "scooter" -- your scooter is a motorcycle. You need a motorcycle driver's license or endorsement. You legally are required to wear a motorcycle helmet, unless you are 21 years of older and have health insurance. Insurance costs depend on where, miles, your age, years you have been licensed and riding.
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Post by shalomdawg on Apr 23, 2014 18:02:44 GMT -5
howdy and welcome to the forum
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 24, 2014 12:20:07 GMT -5
pkmffl,
Hello, and WELCOME to the best site on the Net (Along with our sister site, ScooterRebels)!
I live in Grapevine, right at the north end of D/FW Airport. I'm an old (67) biker from the "old-school" 1960's chopper scene. After 30 years away from bikes, I discovered the "Chinese Invasion" of affordable scooters. Your 150 should be a good ride when you get the Chinese bugs worked out. I rode my '07 Xingyue 150 for seven years, and only recently traded it on a "well-used" Kymco 250, because the 150 simply would no longer safely keep up with local traffic since the area's roads have been redone and you must be able to run 65mph+ just to "survive"... LOL! Living in Texas, I'm sure you've noticed the habit of traffic running 50 in the 35mph zones, and 65 to 70 in the 45mph zones.
Yes, Texas law considers anything on two wheels a "motorcycle". No "mopeds" here... You need a motorcycle drivers' license, and liability insurance. Also, as mentioned, except for certain circumstances, a helmet.
I got my MC license in 1977, so I'm sure it's changed since then, but getting your MC license can't be very difficult. As for insurance, I checked around and found basic liability insurance ran about $100 to $150 per year from numerous carriers. I went with GEICO since they were the cheapest at $100. Seven years later, they now give me full-coverage with fire, theft and collision on my 250 for only $112. Like with a car or truck, you also must have a state inspection yearly, but that's only $14 if I recall.
License, inspection and insurance are pretty affordable considering the savings in gas, and enjoyment a scooter provides. I ride mine for most everything.
Your Shenke is almost identical to my old Xingyue. Typical things I encountered may be similar to your experience. My starter went bad. I disassemble it and was able to fix a broken wire (but THAT is unusual...). Starters are not too expensive, and VERY easy to replace with only hand-tools. See if you're getting juice to the starter, and if the starter IS bad, it should be replaced. The kickers on these are "marginal" at best... LOL! They won't hold up to daily starting.
The other things I ran into was the CDI going bad (I replaced it with a "red" version from eBay). The coil went bad, and I replaced it with an "orange" Bando coil from eBay. These parts are quite inexpensive, and change out in minutes.
The worst problem I had was the carburetor. They are almost ALWAYS too lean on the main jet from the factory. And my scooter would not run right with the factory air-filter no matter what. I ended up richening the main jet by a few numbers, and installing a UNI "sock" filter. If your scoot will tune, and run OK with the stock air-filter, it will be much easier to get it just right.
The carb-jets are VERY easy to change out with only hand-tools.
The electrics on these scooters are not, I repeat NOT waterproof. Not even "water-resistant" so hand-washing the bike is best, and if it's so dirty it needs a spray-wash, be SURE not to direct the wand into the under-seat area where it can hit the CDI, or into the cooling-fan intake to wet the stator and such, OR into the dash area. The wiring on these is OK for gentle, daily use, but will not take any abuse, or wetness. Keep any spray-washing to the body-panels, wheels, tires, and exterior places. Even with those precautions, I leave the engine running during any spray-washing, and am very careful where I aim the wand...
I doubt anything can go wrong with your new ride that can't be easily fixed with advice from the members on this forum. And just MAYBE, you got one of the trouble-free Chinese scoots. Though "rare" the DO exist! Many of us have been riding quite a while, and may be able to steer you around the little annoyances these scooters exhibit.
Ride safe, and enjoy the ride!
Leo in Texas
PS: Take note: Grapevine (and I imagine most TX towns now) have scanners on their police cars which scan many license plates per second. The officer INSTANTLY knows if your ride has current license, inspection, insurance, and if it's stolen, or if there are any warrants or issues with its registration. Sneaky, but VERY effective!
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Post by pkmffl on Apr 24, 2014 16:20:26 GMT -5
Leo,
Thanks for the great reply.
I got the scooter from my brother who got tired of fixing the scooter. So unfortunately it is not one of the rare trouble-free Chinese scooters.
My mother lives in Hurst so I know the area you live in pretty well. Do you take your Kymco on 183? I have to imagine that is scary to say the least.
I researched a bit and getting a motorcycle license is pretty easy, just a class and some money. I'll add on insurance and all that as well hopefully they give me a good deal.
I am not sure what a CDI is... I'll have to look into this. I will take your advice on replacing the starter so I can avoid wearing out the kickstart.
On a ride to the store this morning I was doing about 40mph and the engine just stalled out. I had to pull into a parking lot. When I tried to start again the engine would idle and then die. Tried several times and each time it was harder to even get it to start but would eventually always just die. Had to park it and will be picking it up this evening. I am thinking this is an issue with the carb, will be taking that apart and cleaning tonight or this weekend.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 24, 2014 22:06:56 GMT -5
pkmffl,
Replacing the starter IS quite easy. Just a couple of bolts. Only, be careful as there is a neoprene "O" ring seal on the end, so gentle wiggling the starter in and out of position is needed so you don't develop a leak.
The CDI... Sorry, I didn't know what it was either at first... All my previous experience was with old-fashioned points and condenser ignition. The CDI stands for "Capacitive Discharge Ignition". It's a little "box" with wires and a plug, which controls the spark. Original factory ones are not usually all that good. It could even be the cause of your engine running and dying. They can "go bad" a little at a time, mimicking different problems including the carb.
The carb may be the culprit... And, if you have much trouble getting it right, try tuning it without the air-filter on. If you get it right sans-filter, then replace the filter and it runs poorly, you may need to discard the stock filter and go with a free-flowing one like the UNI, and re-tune.
From my past experience, I believe you'll need to richen the main-jet a little regardless, and you might want to try that while the carb is apart. I'd also obtain a better CDI and coil and go ahead and switch them out to ensure proper spark. Then, it will be easier to determine if the carb is at fault. Just me... But wonky ignition negates all the carb adjusting.
One other thing that can cause your running eccentricities is a bad vacuum-petcock. Most of these scoots use a vacuum-operated petcock, and if it's not getting good vacuum from the engine, it will close down, starving the carb for fuel. Please remove your seat-pan (you need to do that to work on the carb anyway) and check all the rubber fuel and vacuum hoses. These also are often poor quality from the factory and may be loose, cracked, or broken. Any of that nonsense and you'll get problems like you're having now.
I would replace all the black rubber lines with modern American high-quality ones from the auto-parts store. I know all this sounds like a lot of irritation, but it's easy work, and doesn't cost much. With all the hoses good (and I'd install an in-line manual fuel petcock) to eliminate the vacuum one, a known, good CDI and coil, you can REALLY get to tweaking the carb.
Once I got ALL that garbage straightened out on my Xingyue, it gave me trouble-free transportation for six years!
And YES, I definitely run my old Kymco on 183... and 35, and 635, etc. running a steady 65 to 75 mph. I found my old 150 was fine up to a cruise of 50mph, but wind, hills, etc. prevented serious, long-term riding any faster, and that eliminated any freeway riding except for sneaking on between exits, if absolutely necessary.
Sometimes, a 150 will be a little "extra fast" especially with a very lightweight rider, but most top out at 57 to maybe 62mph on a flat road, with no headwind. That's enough for most riding, and you'll have to see if it's enough for you. If not, you may want to give this one a season, and save up for a little bigger engine-size.
Along the way, you can count on your fellow scooter-jockeys for advice!
Stay safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by ftwkirby on Jun 2, 2014 8:09:41 GMT -5
Hey there I'm Kirby from Fort Worth got my 2010 150cc Meiduo (chinese i know right) back in November. i enjoy riding it. I'm amazed on how i can get to placed just taking the back roads. looking forward to learning all i can from experienced riders.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jun 4, 2014 13:42:27 GMT -5
Hey there I'm Kirby from Fort Worth got my 2010 150cc Meiduo (chinese i know right) back in November. i enjoy riding it. I'm amazed on how i can get to placed just taking the back roads. looking forward to learning all i can from experienced riders.
Hey, THAT is how most of us got hooked on scooters too!
In my case, I rode motorcycles for decades, and THAT was decades ago... LOL! Nothing wrong with Chinese. Only expect to do more corrective wrenching than with the more expensive rides. However, Italian, Japanese, Taiwanese, etc. scoots can act up too.
For six years, I learned all the back roads too. Makes for some VERY enjoyable riding. I only went with a bigger scooter when local Grapevine roads were totally re-done, and speeds got crazy. Most everywhere I went, the street traffic was accelerating faster than my 150 would accelerate, and running faster than my 150 would go.
Having my old Xingyue 150 finally fixed, tweaked and adjusted to the best it was ever going to be, I decided to let someone else enjoy it... I am on a VERY tight fixed budget, so I test-rode EVERYTHING I could get my hands on. Finally, I decided I wanted at least a 250, but with a platform similar to my old 150... Flat-floor, step-through and not excessively heavy.
The old Kymco Grandvista 250 filled the bill. It's a short, lightweight scooter similar to the Chinese 150's but a WHOLE LOT faster... I got it from MOXIE SCOOTERS in Colleyville. If you ever decide to "upgrade" and want to work with a B&M store, I can HIGHLY recommend Moxie! First-class dealer with first-class service.
Granted, a used 250 from ANYWHERE but China will cost more than a new Chinese model. After six months riding "Minnie Mouse" as I call her, I can understand why. The entire scooter is "automotive-grade" heavy duty. The construction does seem to justify the price, at least in my opinion.
In the mean time, enjoy those back roads!
Ride safe,
Leo
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Post by BadCattitude on Jun 30, 2014 16:39:50 GMT -5
Welcome!
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