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Post by endru on Mar 31, 2014 20:32:47 GMT -5
Back when I put my new final gear set in, I had to pound on the final gear set to get it into the bearing. It rotated fine after that, but when it all got put together, there was some play between the clutch and the rear wheel, and it would make a clinking sound when I turned the clutch back and forth. Not the best situation, but I didn't have much choice I guess. I've been riding quite a bit since then, probably put about 300 miles on the new gears and there wasn't any problem except for that clinking sound when transitioning between throttling and letting of the throttle. Just the other day though I started to get a noise, like a metallic buzzing sound that came from the gearbox. It increased with speed, so I was pretty certain the bearing was going out. The rear wheel still rotated freely until today, now it seems to be resisting when I turn it by hand and there's some extra "noises" coming from down there. I'm pretty sure I'm going to need at least one new bearing. Before I open it up and inspect the damages, I'd like to have the new bearings in hand so I can hopefully install them and slap it all back together. Does anyone know which bearings are in the rear gearbox, and where a good place to get them is? Would one of these by chance be correct? www.scooterdomain.com/fig-12-part-no-15-139qmb-bearings-6201-p6-for-gear-case-cover-set-of-2-by-no-qmb120015.htmlwww.scooterdomain.com/fig-12-part-no-20-139qmb-bearing-6203-p6-by-no-qmb120020.html
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Post by rockynv on Apr 1, 2014 4:23:24 GMT -5
I got my last set for forum sponsor Parts for Scooters. They are good guys and Matt works hard to ensure you get the right stuff. They don't sell inferrior quality either so you won't be rolling the dice on that front.
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Post by endru on Apr 1, 2014 6:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by endru on Apr 3, 2014 18:45:13 GMT -5
The rear tire finally seized up, so I went ahead and autopsied the gearbox. I was shocked by what I found. First of all, I knew it was going to be bad because of the unbelievable amount of metal particles in the drain oil. It was hard to drain too, because there were so many scrap shavings clogging the drain hole. Turns out one of the bearings was completely blown apart. It was the bearing on the gearbox cover side the holds the small 16 tooth gear that's pressed inside the other larger gear (I wish I knew the terms for these). The inner ring of this bearing is in pieces. I have an idea of what happened. I bought a taller gear set after putting on my BBK. Most stock gears are 15/51 - % from what I've heard. Mine were 14/53 though. Not sure why. I remember when I installed my new 16/50 gear set, the small 16 tooth gear had a really hard time fitting into its bearing - the one that got destroyed. Both ends of that small gear were really tight actually. So maybe that extra pressure on the inner ring caused it to fail? Also strange: The stock bearings are labeled 6201/ P6. Sources I've looked at call for 6201 (no P6). What does the P6 even mean?? Would that translate to a slight diameter difference of the inner bearing ring? The ends of new gears may also not have been sized to spec. I have no idea. At least now I know which bearings I need to buy. I'm hoping if I get regular 6201 bearings, the new gear set will fit comfortably. I sincerely hope that metal in the gear lube didn't ruin any other bearings in the gearbox.
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Post by endru on Apr 3, 2014 20:51:24 GMT -5
Also - the small white spacer that fits on the countershaft got chewed up. I can't find a replacement online. Does anyone know where I can find that online?
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Post by wilds on Apr 3, 2014 23:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by endru on Apr 4, 2014 8:50:23 GMT -5
Ah, thank you.
So then the P6 tolerance designation does not mean that the inner diameter of a 6201/P6 is smaller than that of a normal 6201? I guess the problem lies with the size of the end of the 16 tooth reduction gear.
I'll buy normal 6201 bearings. If the 16 tooth doesn't fit well into the new bearings, I guess I can press it out and go back to the old 14 tooth gear, but keep the 50 tooth gear instead of the stock 53. That won't get me as much top end as I want, but it's better than the original.
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