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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 19, 2014 15:18:59 GMT -5
Well boyz n' girlz...
Seven years ago I rediscovered 2-wheel riding AGAIN, after nearly 40 years without a bike. Back "in the day" I was a die-hard Harley rider, either chopper or "full-dress" bagger. Never could afford another bike after my last Hog was stolen around 1978.
Then, I discovered Chinese scooters. THAT was either a blessing, OR a curse, depending on what the little "workers' paradise" ride decided to do on any given day... LOL. But, you can't deny the fact that my first scoot (Xingyue Eagle 150) was a true bargain at $697 delivered to my door. And when it would start and run right, it was a joy to ride. Just for the record, over 6 years, I had 2 years of absolute misery getting it to run right and fixing "all things Chinese"... LOL! And, I had 4 years of fairly trouble-free enjoyable riding.
One must remember that my life has now spanned enough decades that I must think in terms of dollar values ranging from gold being $35 per ounce (Eisenhower Dollars) to $1,900 per ounce (Obama Dollars). When I was a teen, a guy or gal could get a job any day of the week and in a year, be buying a home and a decent car, get married and have a child, and pay the bills while the spouse stayed home. A low-level worker made maybe $8,000 a year, lived in a $6,000 house and drove a $1,000 car. The CEO of the same business made around $1,8000 a year, lived in a $15,000 house on the other side of the tracks and drove a $3,000 car.
For around a century, the rule of thumb was that one could only afford a house costing ONE YEAR'S gross pay, and a vehicle costing ONE MONTH'S gross pay. While that is still true today, most of America now flounders in debt and misery trying to somehow build a house of cards, earning maybe $50K or much less, and living like they make $500K, hoping that with luck, and an early demise from working and worrying to death, the house of cards won't collapse before they do. Can't change it, it's now the accepted "norm".
That was a DIFFERENT world, where "Wally and Beaver" never got into drugs, and one meager salary was enough... a world which most folks younger than 50 can't comprehend. Today, the Chinese scooter has re-opened the door to vehicle ownership to thousands of folks who would otherwise have to walk, or ride a bicycle. It also opens the door to people being able to afford a scooter just for fun. Troublesome or not, THAT is amazing in today's economy. And, even since I got my Chinese scooter 7 years ago, more reliable scooters from Taiwan, Italy and other places have become more and more affordable, AND more and more advanced.
I recently "upgraded" from my '07 Chinese Xingyue 150 to a used '07 Kymco 250, mostly because the 150 simply could NOT safely keep up with local traffic. I've put on nearly 1,000 miles on the Kymco, and cannot help but compare it to my old Harley Electra-Glide. Overall handling and performance is amazingly similar, with top-speed being around 80mph, as opposed to the 1970 Harley bagger top-end being an honest 90mph. Acceleration with the Kymco is faster than the old Hog. Braking is much better too. The seating position and overall "feel" at any speed above 30mph is astonishingly similar, being solid and comfortable. Yet the Kymco still is nimble at low speed, like a 150 scooter.
CAN an old Harley guy or gal REALLY be happy on a modest 250cc scooter? Amazingly, the answer is a resounding "YES".
Now that it's COLD here, I'm REALLY finding out the advantages to a modern scooter. The Kymco came with a GIVI windshield that truly puts me (and my face and hands) in a "bubble" of still air, allowing me to comfortably ride at 50 degrees. The old Hog windshield mostly just blocked my vision... my face and hands were always miserably cold at the same 50 degrees. In short, I'd usually opt to use the car below 65 degrees. Now, I opt to use the scooter... AMAZING what modern technology has done for a simple plastic accessory.
The scooter design also shields my legs and upper-body far more than a motorcycle. (I stay fairly CLEAN through puddles of "schmootz" and if I ever accidentally hit another skunk, well...). The CVT transmission makes riding as easy as driving a car with automatic transmission, and the step-through frame makes mounting the scoot as easy as sitting down on a chair. THIS is a must for me now since arthritis has taken its toll.
To make a long story shorter, I am a lifelong motorcycle lover. If it has 2 wheels, I like it; Mini-bike to monster!... But, at nearly 70 years old, I now find modern scooters to be a GREAT way to ride, which simply did not exist a few decades ago. Considering today's dollar, scooters (even the more expensive Asian and European models) are a FANTASTIC value. And for fun, or, as useful transport, they offer a transportation option that's more practical, enjoyable and affordable than anything from my early days.
It seems to me that scooters (from thrifty 50's to screaming 800's+) now give one and all a way to get "in the wind" in ways never dreamed of in days gone by. If it weren't for modern scooters, I'd probably be traveling only by car. I think scooters are TRULY a breath of fresh air in a world that for the most part, will no longer pass "the smell test".
Ride safe, one and all,
Leo in Texas
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Post by ramblinman on Jan 19, 2014 15:56:11 GMT -5
I think scooters are TRULY a breath of fresh air in a world that for the most part, will no longer pass "the smell test". i laughed... always enjoy your stories. wow, the days of $6,000 homes, i don't even think you can get an empty lot in detroit for that price anymore. back in the 80's i was working for my uncle remodeling homes. a friend of his bought a house in detroit for $5,000 which as a kid i thought was a great price but this home was a complete wreck. after expense's he didn't think his buddy was going to make any money. we lived in a $60,000 house (mid 80's value) so i didn't understand (until he explained property values) that a house in detroit wasn't worth much at that time. i bought a new red honda spree 50cc scooter in 1985 with the money i made working for him. it was the best 450 dollars i ever spent.
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Post by shalomdawg on Jan 19, 2014 15:56:34 GMT -5
howdy there leo, as usual I enjoy your contributions to the forum and identify very much being of similar age and health. I also remember those days when dad worked and raised us on something less than 50 bucks a week and we had all that was necessary to still travel to fishing and visiting the grandparents a couple hundred miles away on a regular basis. the first house I remember was three bedrooms and cost less than three thousand bucks. when dad sold it ten years later for ten thousand, he thought he had robbed the buyers. after that we sharecropped a hundred acres and worked many hours a day for very little return but enough to raise all we needed to eat and live comfortably. I was able to be excused from school to help in the harvest and that was considered normal. as you have noted, we live in a very different world now. cars were designed where no key was necessary to start and run the car unless it was deliberately locked and we lived many years in a house where we had no key so didn't even lock the house.
anyway thanks for the nostalgic look at the past and all the best to ya
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by SylvreKat on Jan 19, 2014 18:09:49 GMT -5
Now that it's COLD here, I'm REALLY finding out the advantages to a modern scooter. The Kymco came with a GIVI windshield that truly puts me (and my face and hands) in a "bubble" of still air, allowing me to comfortably ride at 50 degrees. The old Hog windshield mostly just blocked my vision... my face and hands were always miserably cold at the same 50 degrees. In short, I'd usually opt to use the car below 65 degrees. Now, I opt to use the scooter... AMAZING what modern technology has done for a simple plastic accessory.
Oh hon', you don't even know what cold is. You poor thin-blooded Texan you. 50, cold? Hey y'all up in the north, any of you wanna' comment here? >'Kat
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 19, 2014 18:23:15 GMT -5
Now that it's COLD here, I'm REALLY finding out the advantages to a modern scooter. The Kymco came with a GIVI windshield that truly puts me (and my face and hands) in a "bubble" of still air, allowing me to comfortably ride at 50 degrees. The old Hog windshield mostly just blocked my vision... my face and hands were always miserably cold at the same 50 degrees. In short, I'd usually opt to use the car below 65 degrees. Now, I opt to use the scooter... AMAZING what modern technology has done for a simple plastic accessory.
Oh hon', you don't even know what cold is. You poor thin-blooded Texan you. 50, cold? Hey y'all up in the north, any of you wanna' comment here? >'Kat
Kat,
Check my post in riding in the cold... HeHeHe...
I was born and raised in Chicago, my Missus is from Maine. I used to ride my nearly 200 cid chopper with 13:1 compression (kick-start only) in below zero winters through heavy snow, and she did the same on her horse, getting to grade-school; no snowmobiles in the thirties... Yup. I'm only talking about "cool-weather" riding in comfort... Mainly just wanted to note how great the new windshields can be. Just because I HAVE ridden in arctic cold, doesn't mean I ENJOYED it... LOL!
Nowadays, I'll drive the cage if it gets TOO cold, but I'm really happy this newer scoot can be used when the frost is on the pumpkin...
It's a genuine hoot to be riding along, no gloves, no scarf around my face like a bandit, comfortable while watching the crotch-rocket boyz shivering and rubbing their hands at red-lights... HeHeHe!
Stay WARM!
Leo (where lately it's 16 one day, and 70 the next) in Texas
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Post by danno on Jan 19, 2014 20:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 19, 2014 21:48:02 GMT -5
Danno,
I couldn't agree with you more!
Leo in Texas
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Post by spandi on Jan 19, 2014 22:22:44 GMT -5
That was another world Leo. (if you weren't there you can't possibly understand.) I remember if someone got divorced you avoided them like they had some communicable disease, because you "didn't want to bring anything home" Sad but true, but that's the way it was. BTW I lived in Chicago, and the first or second winter we had a "cold snap" to the tune of forty below zero....that's why I like the desert, thank you.
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 19, 2014 22:40:01 GMT -5
I'm a bit younger, but still can relate to everything you said. My parents bought our first house in Texas in 1970 for $20k, semi-high priced at the time because it had 3 bed 2 full baths 2 living rooms, a roofed patio (not just covered, we later enclosed it to make a game room), 2 1/2 car garage, and was on a large corner lot (all this was a bit on the high end in those days, today it seems quaint compared to some McMansions). Only 12 years later, we moved to Missouri and sold the house for $126k, and I thought at the time that was an insane profit even with the renovations my father did. Something changed in the late 70s early 80s to our way of life that made this not only acceptable, but desirable, and I'm not sure it can be fixed easily. Rather than a home, a house became an investment. Businesses, including corporations, used to have a true sense of duty to the community. They relied on a good reputation built on not only providing a good product or service, but by helping out the community they depended upon as customers. In the 80s, corporations were changed by greed, and the use of the largest growth of lawyers our country has ever seen to force them to put their fiduciary responsibility to the investors above all else, including the community they depend upon to be their customers. It will take real role models, true leadership, and something else (I have no idea what, I don't know the answers anymore than anyone else seems to), to change all this for the better. Till then, at least I can enjoy my ride and forget about the rest!
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Post by cyborg on Jan 19, 2014 22:41:41 GMT -5
great story,,,and the new bikes are great too aren't they?,,,good fun
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Post by SylvreKat on Jan 19, 2014 23:50:16 GMT -5
It will take real role models, true leadership, and something else (I have no idea what, I don't know the answers anymore than anyone else seems to), to change all this for the better. Till then, at least I can enjoy my ride and forget about the rest! Jerry, I had a gentleman tell me it's too late and there's no going back. It's gone. Like you pointed out, something did change in the 80s, and it's been tanking ever since. Or taking--everyone in any authority seems to only want more for him/herself. And my big brother explained--when you're rich, you live in a huge mansion with lots of rooms. Why? You don't actually live in all those rooms, nobody can. But it's to hold all the stuff they buy to show how rich they are. Sigh. I think I was born either too late or too early. ***** And Leo, I knew you came from cold-lands. But to read you whinging about 50 being cold, well I just HAD to poke you! >'Kat
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 20, 2014 1:37:00 GMT -5
Kat,
I guess every generation feels like "the old days" were better, happier and reflected better morals and ethics. Problem is, they're always right... This world ain't gettin' any better except for technology, and TOO much of THAT gets used for the wrong reasons.
Make the best of it, and keep ringin' them bells!
Leo (Betty and the cats too).
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Post by rockynv on Jan 20, 2014 1:53:40 GMT -5
There are more options for cold weather riding on a scooter such as:
Better - Scooter Riding Blanket:
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Post by danno on Jan 20, 2014 5:35:08 GMT -5
Kat, I guess every generation feels like "the old days" were better, happier and reflected better morals and ethics. Problem is, they're always right... This world ain't gettin' any better except for technology, and TOO much of THAT gets used for the wrong reasons. Make the best of it, and keep ringin' them bells! Leo (Betty and the cats too). How one defines "The old days" probably has to do more with when we were each kids....Then is was a time when the innocence of our childhood made us happier. Then we had to grow up, ending the innocence. Me? I got my first scooter at age 53...My wife called it my mid-life crisis. ;-) Perhaps it's me trying to gain back some of that time of innocence. Alexis de Tocqueville was a French political thinker and historian back in the 1800's. He once visited America and made this observation.... “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” For almost 200 years, our kids in public schools were taught morals and ethics from the Bible ...I can't help but think that's what once made us a "good people." Taking those moral/ethics lessons away from our kids, imo has proven to be devastating to our country.,
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Post by SylvreKat on Jan 20, 2014 6:46:59 GMT -5
For almost 200 years, our kids in public schools were taught morals and ethics from the Bible ...I can't help but think that's what once made us a "good people." Taking those moral/ethics lessons away from our kids, imo has proven to be devastating to our country., danno, when I student-taught my teacher told me parents pretty much stated they expected the teachers to teach their children morals and ethics. But when the teachers tried, those same parents got all bent 'cause the teachers were teaching morals, and that wasn't right, "how did they know that's what we believe in?" etc etc. So the teachers gave up. You can't beat a dog for doing what you wanted, then expect the dog to keep doing it. >'Kat
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