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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 11:43:24 GMT -5
Hello there guys and gal's, it has been awhile since i posted i believe my last post was about my 2004 Eton beamer pn2 2T scooter, witch had since died due to carburetor issues my local shop wants to charge me 161 for the carb, and 70 per hour in labor, and to be honest, i have no idea if it is more than just the carb, could be reed valves ect - I am stuck between two totally different scooters, one is a two stroke, and the other a four stroke i am looking for reliability, Efficiency, and of course Low Repair cost's The scooters i am looking at are listed below! This is the Four Stroke www.superiorpowersports.com/50cc_gas_scooter_p/ib50sc-maddog2.htmThis is the Two Stroke www.powerrideoutlet.com/roketa-mcr-15-50-49cc-2-stroke-gas-scooter-with-top-speed-45-mph-12-aluminum-wheels-large-body-frame.htmlplease let me know what you guys think, experience with these sellers and these brand of scooters!
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 13:09:19 GMT -5
Ether one would be sweet to have . The 4T looks like a tricked Rukus but ouch on the wallet at 1500 . The Rocketa I heard some had to drill a hole in the gas cap to allow venting . Replacing a carb is not that hard nor expensive . Here is a carb for 40 www.scrappydogscooters.com/50CC_2-STROKE_PARTS.html Go to Harbor Freight to get a engine compression kit for 20 . If the PSI is less than 120 you may need a new piston and rings . Rebuilding the engine is so much easier on a 2T . Once you remove the fan shrouds only 4 nuts on studs are removed the head slides off . The cylinder you just slide it up by hand . I used compression ring pliers to put on the rings and snap pliers for the wrist pins . Make sure they are in snug . Lube the everything with ether a good 2T oil or engine assembly lube . Squeeze the rings in order to get it started int o the cylinder . Once you are past the second ring a gentle tap with a soft mallet it slides down . Then just pop on the head and tighten up the nuts . A BBK only costs a lil more than a 49cc rebuild kit and well worth . I put on a 47mm kit and yahoo it is much stronger and faster . you will need to play with the jetting until you get it dialed in . Plenty of how to videos on YouTube with only basic hands tools . I would try to fix the Beemer as it would be much cheaper unless you can afford a new scooter now and fix up the Beemer later as a project . I prefer a 2T since they are less to service like no oil changes or valves to adjust and the best reason is a 2T will outr un a 4T all day long with mild tweaking
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 13:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 13:42:16 GMT -5
See the thing with the beamer is, it has a 47mm bbk on it currently, compression is there, spark is there, IT WAS RUNNING, i ordered and installed 3 different Carb's off ebay, all mikuni 2T 1e40qmb knock off carbs, Only one of them got my bike to fire up (with and with out adjustment)
and the one that fired up, Made my scooter Shoot forward as soon as it fired up, due to the ''throttle arm?'' the curved metal inlet where the throttle cable goes into the carb and into the slider, Well, basically throttle cable and carb did not match up even though the ebay add Clearly stated it was a stock replacement, then went on to say install and go!
i installed and it sure did go, but i nearly did not hit the kill switch in time... damn near went through my house, the Second carb i ordered, the scoot would not even fire up with, no idea why, it just did not Get any fual (witch was the issue with my original carb, a real mikuni carb, it begain leaking fuel from the float bowl, i did a rebuild, it stopped leaking but would not no matter how i adjusted it, fire up)
i appear to be having an issue getting fuel to my engine... yes it starts with a shot or two of starting fluid, i am broke for the next 3 weeks as tax return comes in, but i plan to buy a whole new scooter
my eton beamer has a few issues - Carb issue as stated above, Both front, rear, left & Right turn signals need replacing, Only my high beam head lamps work and i am not sure why, tires are fairly worn down, paint job is HORRIBLE!, rubber floor mat is missing,
so i would need to put in like 500$ on the beamer i assume, carb, floor mat, turn signals, head lamp, *i forgot to mention the starter motor is DEAD* so a starter, and labor for all of it (after installing 3 different carbs and doing a rebuild on my original only to have it still gathering spider webs)
I Really Hate the thought of ordering yet another carb, having it arrive, installing it, walking the scoot 1.3 miles for a (third tank of gas) to try and start it only to have it not start yet again, i Do know how to adjust 2T carb's but am having no luck it is extremely frustrating
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 13:56:03 GMT -5
Try replacing the fuel filter . The fuel pecocks are known to go bad . I have a TK 19mm carb and it is easier to work on . Luckily I have a rear facing carb ss I can get to without removing the seat bucket or body panels . . Inspect the fuel lines and vaccum hoses . Is the vacuum hose hooked up to the intake ?
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Post by americanpsycho on Jan 17, 2014 14:51:25 GMT -5
Negative on both. Go to Heeters and get yourself a much better Tomos Nitro-50 for $1,300. SYM pretty much builds the best chicom scooters.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 17, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -5
Wow, either of your choices would be nice. TOTALLY different... The 4-stroke is SHARP, but the 2-stroke is more practical in design for everyday use. AND, the 2-stroke would certainly be faster and easier to work on. The 2-stroke would probably use a little more fuel, but at only 50cc the difference wouldn't be a deal-breaker.
It's great to see 2-strokes STILL available in the USA. The "carbon footprint Gestapo" is certainly doing their best to put them on the endangered-species list.
As a 1960's go-kart nut, I am incurably prejudiced toward TWO-STROKES! Their utter simplicity and screaming power is impossible to ignore. Before spending hard-earned money on a new scoot, I would exhaust every possibility of fixing your old one. Certainly a carb could be found. I would think even a carb from a large chainsaw or vintage kart could be adapted.
Those would be diaphragm or "pumper" carbs which need to be pressurized from the crank-case, but I've done that with a simple hole drilled through the reed assembly. If your engine uses a regular float-type carb, again, any similar-size carb should be adaptable with only jetting needing adjusting. (Because they were used on engines of greatly differing displacements, many older kart pumper-carbs have FULLY-ADJUSTABLE jets with high and low speed needles...) Talk about EASY tuning! LOL!
If in the worst case, your cylinder, piston, rings etc. are badly worn, even replacing those items should be very easy with only simple hand-tools (provided you can get the parts).
It would be nice to get a new scooter of course, but... If your old one only needs a carb, and/or cylinder/piston/rings, it would be a shame to spend so much when maybe one or two-hundred dollars might get it running like new.
If you could find a 2-stroke, small-engine guy willing to help you locally (likely a mechanic at a shop servicing chainsaws, weed-whackers, outboards, or an OLD-SCHOOL 2-stroke kart guy, etc.) he or she might be able to get you going again without spending the price of a new scoot.
Whether you repair the old one, or opt for the new one, my vote would still be for the 2-stroke as long as they're still available here.
Best wishes on your ride, whichever way you go!
Leo in Texas
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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5
I don't know about that Tomos Nitro 50 seem's a bit iffy
But that site has a very appealing Kymco Super 8 50 2T that snagged my intimidate attention lol 2.2k though ouch
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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 15:53:51 GMT -5
I really would like to fix up my old 2004 Eton Beamer PN2 2T
i am just not convinced that it would be reliable enough, i put like 1k miles on these poor scoots every month or so,
so upkeep get's fairly expensive, i had had horrible luck with the carb on this one, the oem replacement is expensive, and the knock off's i've tried did not work correctly with out midification i did not have the supplies or tools required to do I.E -
throttle cable adjustment, and it would (i think have to be oem or close as it splits into the oil injection cable as well) i am not going to overlook fixing it, but i am wondering if it is even worth it,
would have to replace: carb, airfilter&housing, expansion chamber exhaust, Head lamps, turn signals, Tire's, floor mat, starter motor, and as i said above the paint looks terrible, so i would have to consider a paint job
Is the Eton Beamer PN2 High enough quality of a scooter to consider sinking money into making it ''like new'' ?
It Is a Taiwanese Build, Engine built by SYM
Honestly i do not know to much about scooter brands and such, i see a ton of mixed reviews about VIP taotao's ect being garbage, but my local shop tells me they see vip's coming in for routine service with anywhere from 1-25k miles on the meter!!! -
a week ago i spoke to him about my beamer, and some scooters he had for sale, he said he had a vip taotao come in 3 days prior to our call with 22k miles
should i just opt for a cheapo ?
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 19:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 19:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by larrball on Jan 17, 2014 20:01:30 GMT -5
I have a friend that is in his 50's that bought a used Eton beamer 1 - 2T that was abused,wrecked, ran out of 2T oil a few times and was in need of a good old scrap yard for recycling. But it ran and ran quite well if you set the manual choke just right. Well built bike from what i have seen. % of the scooters you get off the internet (under $700+ shipping) would have never lasted that long. He said he gave $50.00 for it, so i didn't give him a hard time about it given it was his first scooter. Dam thing still run's too. 9,800 miles and some, is what it has last time we talked. [EDIT] called him after this post to confirm the mileage, and added to this post.
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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 20:07:45 GMT -5
That CPI oliver is amazing, i would love to own one of those, but it sure is up their in price! Will have to consider that over the current 2 stroke i had been looking at, it's too much more, but it is more Man would that be sweet with a nice chamber pipe and a BBK Zoom Zoom!
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 17, 2014 20:10:42 GMT -5
I used to have Honda scooters and many pedal mopeds and motorcycles . Well years later I got the bug as I hated spending over 80 a week just in gas for my van and I bought a TaoTao ATMa 50 and hated it . It cracked the piston on the 2nd day and blew up 6 weeks later . Put on a BBK and it ran so much better but still rode and handled terrible . The headlight was so weak it felt like a candle . I love ,y Jonway Magnum with its Handsome boy body ( like the Peace VIPs and others use ) which is similar to a Zuma with dual headlights . I can see so much better . The wide 130mm/60/13 rode some much better than the TaoTaos 3.5x 10 tires . Peace and TaoTao are about the same . You may get lucky or get a lemon 50/50 chance . Read this about the TaoTao ATMa 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/3849?55014=undefined
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Post by Chaapa'ai on Jan 17, 2014 20:14:06 GMT -5
Yes the eton beamer seems to be Well made, i have also put mine through , it has been dropped, ran out of oil once, and i always have it at WoT, but then again i replaced a shattered piston / rings, and went ahead with a big bore kit when replacing it, i put about 4,3k mile's or so onto my big bore before this carb issue started as i stated above, it had ran out of oil on me, and i road it home 8-9 mile's, it had ran out of oil somewhere on that ride /shrug if i had not of done that, i'm sure i would still be on that original bore, the cylinder / jug was in good shape still witch shocked me considering the shape of the piston ! about 3k of my 8k miles on that beamer, were off road, lots of bumps, dumps, spills and such
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