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Post by JerryScript on Jan 9, 2014 12:02:26 GMT -5
I got to go for a ride with my nephew yesterday. We have ridden together a few times now, but I've pretty much always led the way. Yesterday, he took the lead, and I watched as he took off with his right leg hanging down, going around corners and everything, never putting his right foot on the floorboard or foot peg. Help me convince him how dangerous this is, personal horror stories, pictures of emergency rooms, videos, I don't want to see him laid up in a cast or worse!
BTW- I plan on paying for him to take the MSF course next month!
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Post by DaveC on Jan 9, 2014 12:41:32 GMT -5
how about this
(can't figure out how to post a pic)
or delete this post till I do
So, take a close look at my avatar and you won't see a L leg.
Hope it helps
I got some horrific pics of my missing leg right after surgery, hosp, rehab, etc
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 9, 2014 14:05:50 GMT -5
how about this (can't figure out how to post a pic) or delete this post till I do So, take a close look at my avatar and you won't see a L leg. Hope it helps I got some horrific pics of my missing leg right after surgery, hosp, rehab, etc First of all, sorry for your troubles, but I'm glad to see you are still riding! If you can post some of those pics, it would be great, thank you! |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 11, 2014 1:24:30 GMT -5
Hopefully the MSF will impress on him the need to have both feet planted on the floorboards/pegs in order to do an emergency swerve and quick stop manuver. Many bike accidents would be avoided if riders took that part of the MSF training to heart and kept up with it.
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 11, 2014 21:40:57 GMT -5
I'm going to talk to my brother about it. I'm going to tell him, just because my nephew may pass MSF doesn't mean he understands the importance of it. I will test him before he can walk into the DMV and get his endorsement. If you think the DMV can be a hard place to be tested, try making it out of my driveway!
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Post by carasdad on Jan 11, 2014 22:24:06 GMT -5
Here ya go...as a Moto-Cross racer for several years.. I shattered my left leg. It is common to put a leg down in tight turns as ya know. We are talking about professional riders..that ride daily and have lots of experience..but even for them it is dangerous. Anyway..as I entered a steep sharp berm I put my leg down to help make the turn. At about only 30-35 mph my foot hit firmly in the dirt...was stopped in it's place..snapped in 3 places and flipped up backward to about my waist level!! The video was so graphic it blew my mind..and made me sick to watch..  My daughter got her Scoot at age 15 and while riding would dangle a leg as well. No longer having the video to show her..I simulated the injury..and you should do this too. I had her hold an uncooked..raw..hard piece of Spaghetti in her left hand and walk across the living room carpeting. Then while walking..I told her to keep her pace..BUT bend down slightly and barely touch the tip of Spaghetti to the carpeting while still walking. The instant the tip touched the carpet...the piece of pasta shattered into tiny pieces. Then I told her.."Remember the limp I had for a long time?..that is exactly what my leg looked like when it touched the ground also... So tell me now..do your prefer Crutches or a Wheelchair so I can buy one or the other tomorrow" I admit I was a bit gruff with my kids..but being retired Military I had learned that "please don't do that" only works if someone already has plans not to do something..while the fear gained from experiencing or seeing reality..is often what it takes for we hard headed humans to learn something.  |
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Post by phssthpok on Jan 12, 2014 9:48:23 GMT -5
I seem to recall this video being discussed before, with the consensus being poor form led to 'exiting the envelope' of stability/traction.
He wasn't going so fast that a proper (read: deeper) lean would not have saved the turn, but with his leg out like that there was no way to get into that lean, and once his foot touched it was 'just enough' to unload the suspension and lose grip resulting in the low side.
Also...ATGATT. Crocks and shorts? In the slow replay you can see his left knee scraping along the pavement. That's what made me cringe the most.
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 12, 2014 23:32:48 GMT -5
Just showed my nephew this thread. I think he got the message, pretty much as soon as he saw your avatar pic DaveC.
Thanks everyone, safe miles and smiles to ya!
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Post by DaveC on Jan 13, 2014 14:03:32 GMT -5
Just showed my nephew this thread. I think he got the message, pretty much as soon as he saw your avatar pic DaveC. Thanks everyone, safe miles and smiles to ya! Glad it helped I woulda posted more graphic pictures, but I don't host my pics on any site, so therefore can't. I wish him the best of luck and a fun future riding responsibily Dave |
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 14, 2014 17:53:54 GMT -5
Went on another ride with the nephew today, and it was his "learning experience"! We were going to grab some lunch, I told him to lead the way. As we turned into the parking lot, there was some water going down the gutter which of course was splashed all over the cement entry to the parking lot. He didn't slow down enough, and put his foot down, instantly pushing the bike out from under him. He had full gear on (I insist on that during our rides), so only got a bit of a scrape to the knee and a squished pinky from impact. I talked him through what happened as we had lunch, and showed him the video you posted phssthpok (thanks!), explaining to him how the moment your foot touches the ground, you change the load on the supsension, which changes the grip on the pavement, which leads to a slide-out. Thank god he wasn't hurt bad, and the only damage to his scooter is a bit of a scrape on the right rear panel.
Also, as soon as we got back into the neighborhood, I took him through some turning lessons, teaching him how to slow down before the turn and accelerate through and out of it. I think he got the feeling for it after I made him slow down completely before the turns and then hit the gas WOT as he entered the turn. Getting that feeling for riding the wave is something you only gain from experience.
Hopefully he learned his lesson this time! Next month, MSF!
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Post by rockynv on Jan 20, 2014 7:22:01 GMT -5
As long as he understands that the WOT after entering the turns isn't that great an idea if he gets a larger bike. Drifting a turn is not for the beginner.
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 20, 2014 22:02:07 GMT -5
I'm hoping the MSF course will give him the feel he needs for larger bikes. I'm pretty sure they train on 250s here, and I know they won't be letting him drift on their course!
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 22, 2014 11:09:45 GMT -5
Most MSF courses use 250's (or smaller...the one I did had a couple of Yamaha 125's), usually Rebels, Nighthawks, or Suzuki GZ's.
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Post by rockynv on Jan 24, 2014 5:30:22 GMT -5
I'm hoping the MSF course will give him the feel he needs for larger bikes. I'm pretty sure they train on 250s here, and I know they won't be letting him drift on their course! A little sand or a few wet leaves can set that in motion too or my favorite around here are the vinyl strips they adhear to the roadway near intersections to mark crosswalks and lanes. The can be over 3/8 inch thick and get rounded over very quickly so that you slide off them if they are cold or even slightly damp. |
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 24, 2014 12:01:56 GMT -5
When it's all said and done, I'm glad he started out on a 50cc scooter. He's had two slide outs since he started riding, and no injuries beyond a scrape or pinch. He's been lucky, but even those scrapes from slide outs could have been much worse if he was learning on a larger bike. From our talks, I'm pretty sure he's got his head ready for the MSF next month.
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