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Post by 2wheelfun on Jan 5, 2014 20:44:36 GMT -5
In years past I've owned ridden m/cs but never a scoot. In my 50s now and want to get on 2 wheels again. I'm thinking a zuma 125cc or kymco 150cc. I just want to ride for fun around town, no freeways. On the m/c side a Yamaha xt 250 would be my choice. Anyways I'm on the fence, why do you choose a scoot? 50cc scoots are out of the question, too doggy and slow for me.
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 5, 2014 21:37:55 GMT -5
Here are my top 4: 1- More storage space (I use the floorboard all the time when going to the store) 2- CVTs are no-brainers, I used to ride a Honda CB550F, and there were several times I killed the engine by shifting wrong in a sticky situation (I was lucky to come out of those times unscathed, but rattled). 3- They are easier to mount/dismount with the step-thru, rather than slinging your leg over motorcycle tank/engine 4- In the case of china scoots, they are cheap and easy to maintain
IMHO, based on what you posted, I'm not certain you would be happy on a scooter. I would suggest you borrow or rent one for a day or two and be sure you enjoy the experience!
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Post by nulldevice on Jan 5, 2014 22:21:35 GMT -5
What JerryScript said, plus I started using scooters because arthritis made mounting a motorcycle and shifting gears painful. I found I loved scooters and am happily making interstate trips on my TMAX.
If you never go places where the speed limit is over 40 MPH or so the 150 is the way to go as long as there not a lot of hills to climb, especially if you are a large heavy person. This leaves you with a power reserve to climb hills without losing a lot of speed. If you are considering rides that take you 15-30 miles to the next town at 55 to 60 MPH you are going to be a rolling roadblock, especially going up hills. A 250cc scooter is a better choice for that kind of riding. It will even do Interstates for short distances if you are brave and the traffic isn't heavy.
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Post by 2wheelfun on Jan 5, 2014 22:36:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, your insight is appreciated and is being absorbed.
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 5, 2014 22:42:24 GMT -5
Really the only reason I can see is you can't or don't want to shift or you need the storage. I have had both and have decided (at least for now) it's motorcycles for now...
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Post by skyrider on Jan 5, 2014 23:14:54 GMT -5
I chose the 250 for the ability to go on the interstates if I need to (and frequently do) and scooter for weather protection. To get the weather protection on a MC it has to be a large full dress. IMO the Bergmans or Silver Wing come close to a lot of MCs in performance. Also I chose the 250 because it is easier to haul on the back of our motor home.
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Post by jjjoseph on Jan 6, 2014 0:42:26 GMT -5
I prefer a flat-floor 100cc scooter because of the amount of cargo I can carry on the floor, and I stay dry in the rain. Much more useful than a small motorcycle for me. Also motorcycles have complicated clutch/gearboxes and their carbs/ignition are difficult to service. Scooters are a no-brainer for maintenance and hot-rodding, & parts are incredibly cheap (new scooter starter motor is $35, for example), You can buy a complete brand-new scooter carburetor on eBay for $29. There's no motorcycle that is so cheap & easy to maintain as a scooter.
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 6, 2014 0:52:58 GMT -5
Uhm... Hate to be contrary but the motorcycle carb and ignition is basically the exact same thing except it's generally not wrapped in a bunch of plastic... Maintenance is virtually the same on both. I have had a few of both open. Of course we are assuming the small motorcycle is a single but even multi's aren't all that mysterious....
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Post by JerryScript on Jan 6, 2014 1:46:39 GMT -5
Uhm... Hate to be contrary but the motorcycle carb and ignition is basically the exact same thing except it's generally not wrapped in a bunch of plastic... Maintenance is virtually the same on both. I have had a few of both open. Of course we are assuming the small motorcycle is a single but even multi's aren't all that mysterious.... While I agree with your comparison of single piston engines, my first motorcycle had 4 carbs, Honda CB550. Without a special tool, the only way to tune was to attach long lengths of tubing to each carb with a special adaptor, run the tubing up and over a stick or bar, then down to jars of water. Tune each carb till the water level in each tube was identical. I had to have a friend do it, he had been wrenching on his various rides for 30 years at that point, and he told me it was a "PAIN IN THE #$$, DON'T YOU EVER BRING THAT PIECE OF @#$% HERE AGAIN!!!" Course he only rod Hogs! I love my gy6!
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Post by scootnwinn on Jan 6, 2014 1:53:48 GMT -5
Carb balancing is pretty easy once you've done it and if you use columns of mercury like your supposed to. Bikes rarely need it though... I personally wouldn't let a Harley mechanic touch my bike unless he is changing the tires and then only off the bike... While I'm watching
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Post by novaraptor on Jan 6, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
Yup, what they said. If you are only doing the in town thing, you really can't beat a scooter. Mostly because while some of the riding will be for pleasure, a whole lot of it will be for trips to the grocery store, or maybe to the park, where the carrying capability of the scooter comes into play. You can certainly put saddlebags and tank bags on a small m/c and give it near the capability, but you are still left with the up/down shifting every time you come to a red light or stop sign. Also, the ride and handling can be quite different between the two. Kind of like, why should I buy a van instead of a compact car. Different tools. If possible, borrow or maybe rent a scooter for a day. Even a 50cc will give you the feel for the difference in handling. A lot of scooter owners also own motorcycles. When I wake up for work, a lot of the time I don't know whether I'll take my scooter or my Yamaha 1200 in. Most days it is the scooter, though. Hope that helps..
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Post by millsc on Jan 6, 2014 15:07:12 GMT -5
My 150 is way more than enough in town the fastest road I go on in town is 45. But I have took mine on the 55 mph highway and it kept up just fine. Mine is modded but would of been fine stock for in town cruising. Actually my highly modded 50s did fine in town I passed many cars on them
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jan 7, 2014 0:46:11 GMT -5
I'm 67, and agree with all of the above... I used to ride motorcycles (the bigger the better... LOL!) but now, arthritis makes it nearly impossible to get on a cycle. I found even the "semi-hump" of the longer touring 250cc and bigger scoots is a problem, so I had to go with a true flat-floor, step-through design.
I happily rode a 150cc for six years, but local surface streets have gotten SO fast that the 52-54mph top speed, and limited acceleration of 9hp finally became downright dangerous. This year, I traded it on a used Kymco Grand Vista which pretty much looks and feels like a step-through 150, but with its watercooled 250 engine, it's capable enough to run with the cars and trucks which regularly drive 50 to 65mph on the 35mph speed-limit streets. It also can run 70mph+ if needed to sneak onto freeways.
The Grand Vista/Grand Dink is an outdated design, but meets my desire for something small and nimble, yet 65mph+ capable. As for choosing a scooter over a small motorcycle, the above replies tell the story. After more than 50 years riding every type of motorcycle, I'm very happy with a scooter.
The only further advice I might add is that I found my small 250 still handles smartly like a 50, or 150cc scooter, BUT... and THIS is a BIGGIE... Above 50mph it FEELS very much like a full-sized motorcycle. THAT feature I absolutely LOVE.
I test-rode everything on the planet before making a decision, and I'd REALLY recommend you do the same. You may prefer a smaller-displacement scooter, OR, you may like a bigger one. Scooters today have come light-years from the old days. They are as sophisticated as fine cycles, but offer easier climbing on and off, on-board storage, and no shifting.
My last six years of scootering showed me that a 50cc was truly too slow for my needs, a 150cc was "marginal" at best, and the 250cc is about right for 99% of my riding.
When checking out scoots, you'll find from the 150cc size on up, they come in very SHORT wheelbases for snappy in-town handling, AND much LONGER wheelbases for extended highway riding. The two styles are very different, and some riders prefer one, and some prefer the other. I prefer the shorties, but I still want 65+ speed when I need it. But that's just me.
If you try a vast selection before buying, you'll probably find the one that's just right. Summing it all up, I have ridden all sorts of motorcycles, for a half-century, and am VERY happy transitioning to scooters. Because I need a flat-floor, step-through, I lean toward Kymco, SYM, and Italian makes. If climbing on and off is not a problem, your choices are limitless!
Whatever you choose, ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by rockynv on Jan 7, 2014 5:18:32 GMT -5
A stock 250 is going to give you better reliability and fuel economy at speeds over 35 than a 150 so I would just get the 250 scooter from the get go. Get a decent one and interstates are not a problem. Mine tops out just shy of 100 and keeps up with faster traffic on the interstates. Just look for fuel injection and high compression. Watch for the factory incentives too and you may find an Aprilia by Piaggio for $2,999 or less brand new on the showroom floor.
If you are anywhere near enough to Seattle Moto International gets in new Aprilia Bikes that have been sitting in warehouse lots from defunct dealerships regularly and sells them at very low prices still covered with the one or two year factory parts and labor warranty and will even help pay for you to fly in and ride away on your new bike.
Comfort, weather protection, ease of use, thrift, storage and my busted up left knee and ankle can't deal with a lot of city shifting on a motorcycle.
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Post by SylvreKat on Jan 7, 2014 7:08:23 GMT -5
I don't like shifting, car or bike. And I like the look of my scooter over a small motorcycle. But yes, mostly it's about the twist'n'go ease of riding. I can put more of my attention on the other drivers since I don't have to be thinking about when to shift (up or down).
>'Kat
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