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Post by scootnwinn on Nov 13, 2013 0:51:21 GMT -5
Those seals aren't going to dry out unless you park the bike in an unhumidified sauna. Starting the bike repeatedly will do no good in fact it will drain your fully topped off tank and continually fill your empty carb... Its not helpful or necessary.
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 13, 2013 1:32:46 GMT -5
Guess none of you DO NOT HAVE experience leaving a car inside a GARAGE for months then let me know if when you start it you might not have leaks.
If running it 15-20 minutes at idle is going to empty your tank you have a more serious problem than you know. It's amazes me what people come up with . But hey we will let the OP decide what to do he has many choices that people said to do and not to do. Alleyoop
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Post by scootnwinn on Nov 13, 2013 1:49:43 GMT -5
CARS AND BIKES ARE DIFFERENT don't be so arrogant you aren't the only one here with experience. I have plenty of experience with improperly stored bikes, I used to make good money off of people who used the start it every little while method. Any air gap in the tank can cause problems. Repeatedly starting the bike then redraining the fuel in the bowl is silly and will make it necessary to refill the tank. Drain the carbs and just let it sit with a full tank of stabilized fuel. The best idea in here is just riding your bike...
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 13, 2013 2:20:32 GMT -5
CARS AND BIKES ARE DIFFERENT don't be so arrogant you aren't the only one here with experience. I have plenty of experience with improperly stored bikes, I used to make good money off of people who used the start it every little while method. Any air gap in the tank can cause problems. Repeatedly starting the bike then redraining the fuel in the bowl is silly and will make it necessary to refill the tank. Drain the carbs and just let it sit with a full tank of stabilized fuel. The best idea in here is just riding your bike... My My hit a nerve with your empty the tank bit I see, getting down to calling names AGAIN I see. People do that when they know they said something off the wall and plain stupid, and even added more silly untruths to boot. Of course riding the bike is a good idea BUT when there is ice and snow on the ground THAT my friend is not a good idea. So that leaves the riding out don't you think for his safety if nothing else. Alleyoop
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Post by scootnwinn on Nov 13, 2013 2:44:56 GMT -5
Whatever, describing your attitude is not name calling. Snow and ice would be the only thing that should stop you... I hear they use plows and deicing methods occasionally... Anyway no nerves struck here we'll do as you say and let folks decide for themselves.
JUST SO YOU KNOW USING ALL CAPS LIKE THAT implies arrogance especially when you say things like others "do not have experience" like you supposedly do. Listen to Alley so he can tell you how to clean the crud out of your fuel system next spring...
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 13, 2013 3:00:10 GMT -5
That's a fact jack, let the OP do what he wants to do. Alleyoop
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 13, 2013 8:06:14 GMT -5
One--yeah, there's plows and stuff. I still will NOT (yes, caps used on purpose and for emphasis, not arrogance) ride my scooter on plowed streets. Because a plowed street is still covered in packed snow which can get glazed and extremely dangerous for four wheels let alone two. Plowing does NOT clear the streets down to bare pavement, for those who don't live in snowy states. Lucky scootists. Two--looks like both of the above parties are wont to use all caps. Which btb I didn't read as arrogance at all, merely emphasis. Let's just say you each have your own experiences from both sides of this question. So they're different. So what? Doesn't necessarily make one more right than the other. Just makes your experiences different. Who knows what else those bike-owners did besides drain/not drain--start/let sit? Maybe the one who didn't drain also hadn't changed oil or anything for several years. Maybe the one who drained kept refilling 'cause he would decide on nice days to ride. My own experience--the first year, I unplugged my Battery Tender Jr and ran my bike each Sunday while I sat and read the comics. Then replugged in the tender. The following years, no. And it's run fine every spring after sitting all winter. In fact, my bike sat for almost two years (thanks to a workman's comp claim), plugged in, undrained, unstarted, with something added to the gas. When my dr finally released me, my bike died the first attempt to start, then ran fine after. Now, I do NOT recommend this. I'm guessing I had dumb luck on my side. Or my then-mech did something that kept things fine through that long sit. I don't know. I'm not a mechanic in any way. All I know is despite sitting two years, and despite me not driving it much ever, and despite sitting through every winter, my mech this spring still found no crud or anything to clean out. Yes, he drained the old gas and put in fresh, but that was all he had to do beyond the usual spring tune-up/oil change. Add that to the confusion of various opinions. >'Kat
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Post by sailracer on Nov 13, 2013 9:27:27 GMT -5
I just put sta-bil in mine, went for a short ride, parked it, removed the battery and brought it inside,(the battery not the scooter) and left the thing to hibernate.I ran that scooter for 7 years doing that, and only bought 2 batteries.And we have some harsh winters here in New England.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Nov 13, 2013 10:56:14 GMT -5
I like to ride mine as much as I can in the winter. I just don't like my scoot to sit.
Once it gets below freezing, the 10 mile trip to work gets pretty cold-- plus my face shield gets iced up from my breath. So I, unless absolutely necessary, refrain from it as best I can. Really the coldest parts of my body are my hands, neck, and face--- after the fact, from that long of a trip. My hands have been numb several times--and having to take my bulky glove off to pump gas doesn't help.
Here in northern Indiana, the winters can be brutal at times. We do get lake effect snow where I'm at, even being a few counties away from Lake Michigan.
I'm fortunate enough to have a garage with a space heater in it-- that helps. There is really only maybe a 2-3 week period (temperature wise) to where it can be "unbearable" to scoot, or just not worth it. I mean, I'm able to ride at least enough to keep the battery charged, overall throught the winter.
I try to stay off the roads when they are still snowy (plows can't keep up, or aren't out yet), when it's icy, and when the snow is on the road, packed down like 'Kat said.
As long as I feel that I'm not a hazard to myself or anyone else on the road, and the temperature is bearable, I'm good to go.
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Post by millsc on Nov 13, 2013 11:24:12 GMT -5
I ride mine nearly every day if its real cold I may just take it around the block a few times than put it back in the garage
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Post by onewheeldrive on Nov 13, 2013 12:41:07 GMT -5
I ride mine nearly every day if its real cold I may just take it around the block a few times than put it back in the garage I get the "itch" after a few days of not riding, you too? Lol
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Post by jwalz1 on Nov 13, 2013 16:02:20 GMT -5
I am in the camp of running it. I have easy access to the bike.
I have had a summer car for the last 20 years and the bike for the last couple. Since I have easy access to them in the garage, I look for any mild weekend day and fire them up and let them run until needle is fully up to temp, and then several minutes more. Usually while I am futzing around in the driveway with a snow shovel. Never have had any white residue in the oil from condensation.
The first year I had a summer car, I did not do this. It sat for five months. I fired it up in the spring and made the most horrible sounds I feared for my piston rings and cylinder walls. Have been in the monthly running camp ever since and they always start and run as if they were being used regularly, with no frightening sounds.
As far as seals drying out, the worst are car air conditioning seals, and running helps a great deal. On a scooter, that is not a problem, but 10 degree below zero weather is REALLY dry, and my personal preference is to run the engines and lube them up periodically to keep them in good working order.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Nov 13, 2013 17:08:00 GMT -5
I try and run my scoot as often as I can in the winter, and if I need or feel that I need to charge my battery.. I can, because I have a charger/maintainer. So either way I'm covered, unless I get really lazy.
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Post by JerryScript on Nov 13, 2013 23:56:08 GMT -5
Perhaps some people just don't like to ride in the cold weather. Regardless, running an engine for a short period of time every couple of weeks throughout winter storage is a time tested method of preventative maintenance. We even did it in the army when I was an engineer in Germany, got so cold in January that we had to do it daily to keep the batteries alive.
Some people may be against this method, but I have been doing it for 30 years with cars, trucks, and bikes, and it has never let me down!
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Post by rockynv on Nov 14, 2013 8:19:59 GMT -5
I depends on the weather and location. If you do not run it long enough you can build up acids in the crancase and exhaust systems which can do more harm than good indeed.
For storage if you do not intend to run it you put a teaspoon of oil down the intake and sparkplug hole after you have run the carb dry and have put the storage change of oil in it and then you give it a few turns without starting it and put it to bed.
If you do intend to run it occasionally it is best practice to change the oil before the winter and then change it again before putting it back in service.
Now on a fuel injected bike you can't run the tank dry without doing some level of damage to the injector pump so the best choice is to come and join us here in Florida and ride 365 days a year.
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