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Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 17, 2013 12:40:21 GMT -5
Just got the bill for the water pump job...$400. It would be cheaper to keep a sports car on the road then a Chinese scooter!
I think Im done & my scoot will be on CL come spring. I give up.
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by: americanpsycho - Oct 17, 2013 16:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by americanpsycho on Oct 17, 2013 16:39:10 GMT -5
Dude, by something like a Kymco Agility and be done with it.
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Post by DaveC on Oct 17, 2013 16:40:08 GMT -5
Chinese scoots are great for those folks that have mechanical ability and the tools Japanese scoots are great for those who don't
Save your money this winter. sell the chinese, pool the money and buy Japanese
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Post by americanpsycho on Oct 17, 2013 16:50:08 GMT -5
Chinese scoots are great for those folks that have mechanical ability and the tools Japanese scoots are great for those who don't Save your money this winter. sell the chinese, pool the money and buy Japanese Why, he can buy a Kymco Agility-50 or Agility-125 for several hundred less then even the Honda Metropolitan.
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Post by DaveC on Oct 17, 2013 16:52:43 GMT -5
Chinese scoots are great for those folks that have mechanical ability and the tools Japanese scoots are great for those who don't Save your money this winter. sell the chinese, pool the money and buy Japanese Why, he can buy a Kymco Agility-50 or Agility-125 for several hundred less then even the Honda Metropolitan. Yea, I wasn't gonna go into all the alternatives, was just throwing the concept out there
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Post by spandi on Oct 17, 2013 17:16:29 GMT -5
I agree with the other postings. Just because a Chinese scoot gave you headaches is no reason to give up on scootin' It just that for folks who "wrench" a water pump issue would not have even phased them. It would have been fixed in their garage on a weekend afternoon for the cost of the parts. Get a reliable machine (SYM Kymco) that isn't going to cost you a bundle and keep on riding.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 17, 2013 19:37:38 GMT -5
Chinese scoots are great for those folks that have mechanical ability and the tools Japanese scoots are great for those who don't Save your money this winter. sell the chinese, pool the money and buy Japanese Why, he can buy a Kymco Agility-50 or Agility-125 for several hundred less then even the Honda Metropolitan. Not big enough. If its not highway-capable, I don't want it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 20:04:04 GMT -5
Get one without a water pumP!!
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 17, 2013 21:41:36 GMT -5
rocky'll tell you to get the Aprillia 250. It's VERY highway capable!
My advice is like Dave's. Save up over the winter and keep an eye out for a good deal on CL. Try selling yours now, but if it's not getting interest near the price you're asking then wait for spring. Sadly, the opposite goes for buying, I think the better deals come now from folks not wanting to mess with storing their bikes over the winter. Which selling your scoot would help the purchase of.
The good thing is you've experienced a bad bike. So you'll have some idea what to look for on a used CL bike.
And stick with the big guns. SYM. Kymco. Piaggio etc. Honda. Yamaha. Like my Harley friend told me, you need something that's reliable and doesn't require mechanical skills from you. And typically that will not be Chinese.
Just be patient, and the right bike for you will come along at the right price.
>'Kat
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Post by onewheeldrive on Oct 17, 2013 22:44:26 GMT -5
If I had a do-over, I would've gotten a better quality 50cc-80cc(bbk) scooter, or maybe a 150, maybe even a motorcycle. Something that can take quite the beating I put on it week to week, year to year, without having to rebuild it every year or year and a half.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 18, 2013 0:01:08 GMT -5
Onewheeldrive,
My own story is a little like yours. True, I got tired of wrenching my Chinese GY6 150, but... I did finally get all the bugs worked out. Then, local traffic changed, and like yourself, the 150 wasn't capable of highway speeds that I had to reach now.
So... Indeed, I saved my pennies over the summer. I sold some personal possessions (long-treasured firearms I seldom used anymore) and by season's end I had $2,500 on-hand. I decided after a LOT of researching and test-riding to settle on a used Japanese, Taiwanese or Italian 250 scoot. They cost in the same ballpark as a new Chinese 250, and have a rep for being less troublesome, even with some "miles on the clock".
Arthritis mandated a flat-floor, step-through version which limited me considerably. I ended up with a 2007 Kymco Grand Vista 250 with 13,000 miles on it. It drives VERY nicely, even though it's a "dated" 2-valve, carbureted 250, while many newer scoots have 4-valve fuel-injected mills. It still will accelerate with fast traffic, and run up to near 80 mph, and cruise at 70+mph. A great combination of small-wheel city scooter, and smooth highway runner.
My in-depth search found almost UNLIMITED supplies of Honda Reflex & Silver Wing, Suziki Burgman, Piaggio, Vespa, Aprilla, Kymco, SYM and such. All in the 250cc to 650cc class, and all in the $1,500 to $2,500 price range. Most of these are water-cooled, and carbureted. Not the latest technology, but all will run on the highway and give 40 to 65 mpg.
If I could use one with a "hump" I'd probably have gotten a Honda Reflex, or a BEAUTIFUL Kymco 500 "Exciting" with fuel-injection I came across. Like I said, right NOW the supply is endless! THIS is THE time to buy, when so many are selling to avoid winter storage, OR to take advantage of dealers closing out the 2013 models at giveaway prices.
I won't knock Chinese scoots, they ARE good values for the money, BUT are definitely prone to need more repairs, and "tweaking". Of all the used scooters I examined, I found I had a slight favoritism toward the Italian models, and the Kymco offerings. Just me, but they seemed just a little bit heavier-duty, but nobody can argue with Japanese quality.
I'm enjoying this old Kymco so much that it makes me feel a little guilty... LOL! It may give me some trouble (only time will tell) but well-worn bikes like these still seem to be more reliable over the years than their Chinese counterparts.
Certainly Chinese bikes have come a long way in the last few years, AND are still VERY inexpensive. A new Chinese 250 is tempting, but after test-riding nearly 100 used scoots from other countries, compared with minty Chinese rides, I have been impressed with the fit and feel of the non-Chinese scooters, even when they have lots of miles on them. Yes, I know Kymco (Kwang Yang Motor Co.) is technically "Chinese" but don't tell them... They still think Taiwan is its own country, with higher standards... LOL! And there IS a major difference in quality.
I would DEFINITELY check out ALL the alternatives before giving up on scooters... Also, you mentioned motorcycles. There are SO many good used ones out there of all makes and models, it opens up still another world of possibilities!
Don't give up yet... Your ideal ride is still out there!
Leo in Texas
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Post by prodigit on Oct 18, 2013 0:07:10 GMT -5
Chinese scoots make sense when you're new to scooting or biking, and don't know if you'll like it or not. Also when you only need to ride to the supermarket once or twice a week, 5 blocks down the road. Or thirdly, when your neighborhood is plagued with ghetto scum, that deserve nothing more than a bullet between their eyes for stealing.
Middle range are the Korean bikes and scoots.
If you're still happily riding after 1-2 years of scooting, with occasionally long distance, it's time to seek a trustworthy steed, and invest in USA, Japanese, or European craftsmanship. Long rides, fast rides, Comfy rides, get something like a Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, Ducatti, Yamaha, BMW, KTM, Buell, Royal Enfield, and lately Vespa starts creating high powered (600+cc) bikes too... just to name a few...
If you're into Chinese fuel efficiency, take a look at a Suzuki TU250, Honda CB500x, Honda NC700x, Honda Rebel, Honda RS750, Honda CBR250, Kawasaki KLR650, Kawasaki Ninja 250-300cc. Each one of them are excellent in fuel efficiency, the higher the cc's, the better bike it is for the long rides at continuous 80+MPH interstate speeds.
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Post by domindart on Oct 18, 2013 0:39:14 GMT -5
I agree with the other postings. Just because a Chinese scoot gave you headaches is no reason to give up on scootin' It just that for folks who "wrench" a water pump issue would not have even phased them. It would have been fixed in their garage on a weekend afternoon for the cost of the parts. Get a reliable machine (SYM Kymco) that isn't going to cost you a bundle and keep on riding.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Oct 18, 2013 2:30:52 GMT -5
Leo,
These scoots are too much fun to ride- it's something I know I'm not ready to give up on. That being said, it amazes me how much I now know about this scoot--- inside and out, and the good/bad. Day one was a different story, lol! If it wasn't for these scooter forums online, or the internet in general, I probably would have sold it!
Now 40,000+ miles later (kilometers basically), I'm at the point to where I realize it probably wasn't the best investment to suit my needs. It was a spur of the moment type deal to buy this scoot. To make a long story short, a guy I worked with sold his Honda Zuma and picked up what, would eventually be, my scooter. Well, he was a really big guy and wasn't happy with it--- so I bought it off of him for $750, since I didn't have a car at the time, I thought it would be worth it.
I'd say it was worth it, in the long run--- especially at the time I bought it. Knowing what I know now, I probably would've saved my money up for something of better quality. I just don't feel a 50-72cc Chinese quality air cooled scoot with no oil filter, is meant to be ridden as hard and as often as I ride it, that's all.
With that being said, I love my scooter! Poor thing... lol!
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Post by rockynv on Oct 18, 2013 8:53:34 GMT -5
rocky'll tell you to get the Aprillia 250. It's VERY highway capable! My advice is like Dave's. Save up over the winter and keep an eye out for a good deal on CL. Try selling yours now, but if it's not getting interest near the price you're asking then wait for spring. Sadly, the opposite goes for buying, I think the better deals come now from folks not wanting to mess with storing their bikes over the winter. Which selling your scoot would help the purchase of. The good thing is you've experienced a bad bike. So you'll have some idea what to look for on a used CL bike. And stick with the big guns. SYM. Kymco. Piaggio etc. Honda. Yamaha. Like my Harley friend told me, you need something that's reliable and doesn't require mechanical skills from you. And typically that will not be Chinese. Just be patient, and the right bike for you will come along at the right price. >'Kat Piaggio Group is running a finance special from October 1 through November 30, 2013 right now so its 0% down at 3.9% /60 months financing available on all their brands, all Aprilia, Vespa, Piaggio, and Moto Guzzi models. This includes prior model years on clearance specials. The current model year special on the Piaggio BV 350 i.e. normally $5,699 on sale for $4,999 while pricey is still a great deal for what you get. It has a boxed stroke multi-valve 350 that pulls like a 400+ cc bike but gets fuel economy more like a 250cc bike. It has the wet clutch CVT drive too. The fit and finish on the bike is excellent. Here is a bit of an offbeat review of the BV350: A bit of a nice touring ride on the BV350: The MrBike On board Video review: Some dealers can also still get the Aprilia Sport City 250 which can be had for $2,999 to $3,499 and will be covered under the current finance special promoted by Piaggio.
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