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Post by JerryScript on Oct 9, 2013 23:08:37 GMT -5
And alleyoop and many others here will always have the right info for you! Everyone helping each other out is what makes this forum so great!
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Post by robrun on Oct 10, 2013 9:55:52 GMT -5
Thats a Minarelli two-stroke brah. You want it to last? Use Yamalube two-stroke oil.
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 10, 2013 12:03:44 GMT -5
Good addition make sure the oil you get says it is formulated for a pump. Don't get the cheap weed wacker stuff... Do not run that bike with the "annoying light and sounds" It won't get far with out oil...
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Post by jdmsoldier on Oct 10, 2013 22:23:01 GMT -5
Thanks, I didn't end up reading this again till about an hour ago. I couldn't find yamalube at walmart or oreilys. does it really matter much if i use 15w 40 or 10w 40? I think I read somewhere that only difference is that 15w will make it run a little more cooler. The warning sticker on my bike says only use 15w though so shouldnt I comply with the warning? I ended up buying this Lucas 2-cycle;   I put it in when I got home, started her up to make sure the noise was gone then parked it in the garage. It wasnt till I was in the shower that I realized I made the mistake. Should I dump it all out now? I'm assuming its not safe to use, but i dunno. |
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 11, 2013 0:23:49 GMT -5
That's the right oil. I think the 15w sticker is a mistake Lucas is good stuff...
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Post by jdmsoldier on Oct 11, 2013 1:50:17 GMT -5
That's the right oil. I think the 15w sticker is a mistake Lucas is good stuff... awesome thanks  I was worried cause it didn't show any weight or grade anywhere on this bottle i bought. |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 11, 2013 5:48:10 GMT -5
If you have a scooter with a 2 Cycle/2 Stroke/2 T engine with an injection tank and pump then that would be the correct oil to use. A 2-Cycle engine passes the fuel mixed with oil through the crankcase to lubricate the engine while a 4-Cycle engine usually has the oil in a crackcase or oil sump and generally uses a pump or splash system to lubricate things. The major difference in the oil is that the 2-Cycle oil burns cleaner and makes less smoke so your cylinder and exhaust don't get plugged up with soot and such. Be thankfull that the bike still runs now. You apparently rode it with out oil to go to work and shopping taking a chance on making it toast. You have put a substantial amount or wear on that engine by doing that. Make a resolve to keep track of the oil injector tank and top it off regulary well before it gets even close to empty. The Keeway manual may help you better understand 2 Cycle bikes better even if it is not an exact match to what you have: www.49ccscoot.com/manuals/Keeway_50cc_2T_Service_Manual.pdf |
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 11, 2013 7:53:48 GMT -5
I just worked on an actual Moped recently. The sticker on the tank - mixed gas and oil, no separate tanks, said 10w-40 or two stroke oil.
It turns out that you can use normal engine oil - 10w-40, or two stoke, per the Puch recommendations.
I used 2T oil, but forgot about a lead additive since the bike was from 1978, no UNleaded gas allowed.
I guess in a pinch you can use motor oil in a no mix system, but than how would you get the ratio correct?
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Post by pmatulew on Oct 11, 2013 12:49:11 GMT -5
Lucky you! Unless your scoot had a heart transplant at some point?...That blue liquid in the white plastic tank by your heels is two-stroke oil. It's colored so you don't mistake it for anything else. (It does come in other colors and even strawberry scent if you like.) The oil reservoir will last for many gas tank refills. Just don't let that oil run out or bad things WILL happen quickly. The two-stroke oil takes the place of crankcase oil you are used to. The crankcase is dry otherwise and the bearings depend on a constant metered flow of oil coming in with the fuel to get burned. No oil to change ever. Just keep refilling the reservoir. If you take the fan cover off you with find that the hose coming off the bottom of the oil tank runs down to a geared oil injection pump at the bottom with a cable that moves together with the throttle cable. Your pics look like there was quite a bit left in the reservoir. So long as it wasn't empty you should be okay. check out this thread --> itistheride.boards.net/thread/4364/first-scooter-ton-50ccThe screw cap by the back wheel is for gear oil. No dipstick. You just fill until the oil overflows back out. There should be an obvious bolt along the bottom you remove to drain it. |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 11, 2013 22:27:30 GMT -5
I just worked on an actual Moped recently. The sticker on the tank - mixed gas and oil, no separate tanks, said 10w-40 or two stroke oil. It turns out that you can use normal engine oil - 10w-40, or two stoke, per the Puch recommendations. I used 2T oil, but forgot about a lead additive since the bike was from 1978, no UNleaded gas allowed. I guess in a pinch you can use motor oil in a no mix system, but than how would you get the ratio correct? Actually it was preferred to use what we called White Gas in them back then. While you "could use" normal engine oil you did end up with more problems from carbon build up in the exhaust ports clogging things up which would cause loss of power and overheating so if you cared about your bike you only used it if you were stuck with no other choice. Most of us carried a small bottle of 2 stroke oil containing enough to treat a tank of White Gas which was available at the American Oil Stations, the ones with the Flying Horse. 1 oz oil to 20 oz gas for 20 to 1, 1 oz oil to 30 oz gas for 30 to 1 and so forth and so on. The leaded gas was to help cushion the valves when they made contact with the valve seats in the 4 stroke engines so they would not require frequent adjustments however that was not required on a 2 cycle engine. |
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Oct 11, 2013 22:44:14 GMT -5
 The owners manual includes things like taking the head off and cleaning the carbon, cleaning the exhaust port and cleaning the muffler out. I'll post the image tomorrow. Or not. This forum has exceeded its attachment space.  |
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Post by jdmsoldier on Oct 12, 2013 5:13:40 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info guys. I doubt my owner's manual will tell me what type of gear oil I need. Those pieces of paper are seriously completely useless and show you where the basic parts are pretty much like the seat and such. Does it need to be a certain grade/weight too?
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Post by pmatulew on Oct 12, 2013 6:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by jdmsoldier on Oct 12, 2013 19:47:53 GMT -5
cool thanks, I think I seen that at walmart. |
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