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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2013 0:05:10 GMT -5
I have seen many around my area ride with a moped tag instead of a MC tag on a 150 or more scooter . Today a buddy got pulled over for going 52 MPH with a moped tag that has a 30 MPH limitation under the moped law . He was charged with DUS , no MC permit or license , no insurance , no MC tag , and no registration resulting in $2,700.00 in citations . His 4T 50 blew up and he has a deposit on a 2T Zuma after seeing how much faster my 2T is compared to the 4ts . One of his coworkers needed money bad and sold him a used 150 for 200 so he jumped on that deal . The Zuma is $1,500 . I have read where many fret applying for a MC learners permit since some states require a MC safety course first . I heard some say it costs 400 and is a good idea even if not required for noobs . I got my MC license when I was only 16 on a Suzuki GS550 and passed the driving test with ease . IN SC it is way easier than the automotive driving test . The permit is good for 6 months and can be renewed but to me why not go ahead and take the test . In SC a 150 costs  or so a year for basic liability insurance , tag is 15 , register is 10 and property tax can vary but mine is 24 dollars . In SC , mostly the city cops in small towns and some SCHP have been busting people with moped tags going over 30 MPH . I got some DUI BS yelled at me on my 50 when I first had a moped tag . Since I hated that and it did 45+ bone stock ( its a 2T ) I added it to my insurance and got a MC tag . I have yet to get any " DUI or liquor cycle hate " from cagers or bothered by the cops . I have had people smile and even get mad and speed up when I would pass by them . Another advantage of having a 50 registered is it would be easier to track via paper trail if stolen . Many 50s and some 150s never get registered and thieves know this as cops here will only make a report and do nothing afterwards . It is not worth the risk to ride illegal . If your are restricted to moped status you can tune it up some so that you do not get ran over as a restricted scooter is slow . A 2T scooter with a CVT instead of single speed chain drive can easily go faster than a 4T and with just a few lil mods like upjet it can be a fun experience . I have read a news report where a ( censored ) cop had a guys impounded scooter get checked out by a scooter shop to see if it was truly a 49cc . |
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Post by prodigit on Sept 7, 2013 2:53:32 GMT -5
in FL it's mandatory to have a MC license for anything above 49cc. That includes a 50cc with BBK, however most cops won't crack down on BBK bikes, if they don't go over the legal speed limit of 40MPH, or the road speed limit.
In reality, most 50cc scoots around here go 45MPH tops.
MC endorsement costs $225 if you go in weekdays, or $275 in weekends, and is worth every penny! I think it should be mandatory for everyone riding >50cc scooters or motorcycles.
We have a different law here for mopeds. A moped and a 49cc scooter fall under different categories in FL.
A moped = needs to have pedals, or working mounting points for pedals.
Needs to go <30MPH, (20 MPH in most other states)
Needs to have <2BHP, or 1BHP (750W) when powered by an electric motor, or <25cc two stroke engine.
A scooter = 40MPH top speed, <49cc, or <3BHP.
A 2 stroke 49cc usually does not fall in that category, as it has >3BHP.
On the highways in FL the minimum posted speed is 40MPH, top speed ranges from 55MPH to 60MPH, and interstates top speed = 65MPH. (but cars go as fast as 80MPH).
The minimum needed to go on these roads >5BHP, or >75cc. In reality, you need >125cc to go on the interstate, or highway, but preferably >200cc for the interstate, and >150cc for the highway to maintain speed (highway riding usually is 60-65MPH, interstate usually 60-80MPH, except for traffic jam).
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Post by spandi on Sept 7, 2013 7:36:28 GMT -5
In this case buying the brand name scooter would have been cheaper, A LOT cheaper! $2700....OUCH! D8
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Post by millsc on Sept 7, 2013 7:38:58 GMT -5
In missouri only cost me 20 bucks to get a motorcycle license 86 bucks for plates and registration and 98 bucks a year for insurance, so it wasn't bad at all.
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Post by ltdhpp on Sept 7, 2013 8:20:46 GMT -5
Yup yup you get in big trouble in VA too, the worst is for not having insurance, then the fine for operating an unregistered vehicle.
Much cheaper to go ahead and put tags and insurance on it, the MC endorsement is the least of the worry.
But, the MC safety course could save your life, and that makes it priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 12:17:10 GMT -5
I ride on the side like the cyclists do on the 55 roads
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Post by RapidJim on Sept 8, 2013 9:59:30 GMT -5
Wisonsin requires Drivers License, title, plates and insurance on any road vehicle. Scooters/Mopeds ( below 50cc) are required to have a MOPED plate and the operator is only required to have a standard driver's license. Anything over 50cc requires a motorcycle plate and registration and a motorcycle endorsement.
The law also states that a scooter/moped of under 50cc is only allowed to go as fast as 30 MPH on flat land, however that portion of the law is under review and normally the Police will not bother you for doing over that in an area where the speed limit allows it. Don't do 30 MPH in a school zone marked 15MPH. Common sense.
Jim
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Post by rockynv on Sept 9, 2013 4:16:24 GMT -5
In Florida there are only three classifications of 2 wheel motor vehicles. Motorcycles, mopeds and scooters. what most here ride and call scooters are considered motorcycles in Florida. Any powered bike that has a seat and can go over 30 mph is considered a motorcycle in Florida.
According to the DMV in Florida the posted rules are:
"Two-Wheeled Vehicles Defined
If you’re unsure about the registration and insurance requirements for your two-wheeled vehicle, please call the DHSMV at (850) 617-2000 for clarification.
Motorcycle¯Motorcycles are generally the easiest of the two-wheeled vehicles to spot. Know that if your two-wheeled vehicle has an engine displacement of more than 50 cc, Florida considers it a motorcycle and you must register it.
Mopeds¯Your vehicle is a moped if it has:
Three or fewer wheels
A seat
Pedals that allow you to propel the vehicle
A motor of two-brake horsepower or less
The ability to go no faster than 30 mph
An Automatic power-drive system
A displacement of 50 cc or less (if it has an internal combustion engine)
Scooters¯Your vehicle is a scooter if it has:
No seat or saddle
Three or fewer wheels
The ability to go no faster than 30 mph"
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Post by bigggroovy on Sept 9, 2013 22:30:36 GMT -5
Alabama requires motorcycle license but it's only a written test.
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Post by prodigit on Sept 9, 2013 23:08:25 GMT -5
In Florida there are only three classifications of 2 wheel motor vehicles. Motorcycles, mopeds and scooters. what most here ride and call scooters are considered motorcycles in Florida. Any powered bike that has a seat and can go over 30 mph is considered a motorcycle in Florida. According to the DMV in Florida the posted rules are: "Two-Wheeled Vehicles Defined If you’re unsure about the registration and insurance requirements for your two-wheeled vehicle, please call the DHSMV at (850) 617-2000 for clarification. Motorcycle¯Motorcycles are generally the easiest of the two-wheeled vehicles to spot. Know that if your two-wheeled vehicle has an engine displacement of more than 50 cc, Florida considers it a motorcycle and you must register it. Mopeds¯Your vehicle is a moped if it has: Three or fewer wheels A seat Pedals that allow you to propel the vehicle A motor of two-brake horsepower or less The ability to go no faster than 30 mph An Automatic power-drive system A displacement of 50 cc or less (if it has an internal combustion engine) Scooters¯Your vehicle is a scooter if it has: No seat or saddle Three or fewer wheels The ability to go no faster than 30 mph" Not quite so, I've looked heavily into these things when I first try to find how to register my electric moped. Turns out FL is 10MPH higher than most other states, meaning, In FL, a moped is limited to 30MPH, and a 49cc scooter to 40mph. and the displacement is 49cc or less, not 50cc or less. |
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Post by rockynv on Sept 10, 2013 4:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by SylvreKat on Sept 10, 2013 6:19:20 GMT -5
Really, rocky? A scooter can't have a seat? What're you supposed to be sitting on then, a chair? Or are they talking about those little stand-up scooters the kids buzz around on?
KS is easy--less than 125cc, scooter. Otherwise, motorcycle. Period.
>'Kat
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Post by prodigit on Sept 10, 2013 11:48:58 GMT -5
@rocky: That's because they don't even know how to word it correctly. In the scooter section, they actually mean scooters like these:  and these:  (image not showing, is of a segway type). Which should actually fall under the category mopeds. It's like the fish and chips and fries thingy that americans and the Brittish have with each other.... Fries are not chips, and fries are not French fries, because Belgians invented them, not the French! Florida is ruled by Latins; they know nothing of what they're doing, and they don't work. That's why their businesses suck most of the time, why the roads are full of potholes, why they build concrete everywhere, and demolish green, why they are only now buying Harleys (about 20-30 years too late, and get rid of them within 1 to 2 years), and why their legal documents haven't been revised for decennia. The moped law was last revised in 1992, that's over 20 years ago, just to let you know... upto the point that there's only one article/paragraph of the law that states 1BHP/750W for electric vehicles; and other than that, there's the link you mention. no other reference to electric vehicles. |
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Post by prodigit on Sept 10, 2013 12:03:33 GMT -5
@rocky: That's because they don't even know how to word it correctly. In the scooter section, they actually mean scooters like these: and these: (image not showing, is of a segway type). Which should actually fall under the category mopeds. It's like the fish and chips and fries thingy that americans and the Brittish have with each other.... Fries are not chips, and fries are not French fries, because Belgians invented them, not the French! Likewise scooters like segways, and the above pic, are not scooters, they're mopeds! Florida is ruled by Latins; they know nothing of what they're doing, and they don't work. That's why their businesses suck most of the time, why the roads are full of potholes, why they build concrete everywhere, and demolish green, why they are only now buying Harleys (about 20-30 years too late, and get rid of them within 1 to 2 years), and why their legal documents haven't been revised for decennia. The moped law was last revised in 1992, that's over 20 years ago, just to let you know... upto the point that there's only one article/paragraph of the law that states 1BHP/750W for electric vehicles; and other than that, there's the link you mention. no other reference to electric vehicles. |
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Post by rockynv on Sept 10, 2013 12:26:18 GMT -5
Really, rocky? A scooter can't have a seat? What're you supposed to be sitting on then, a chair? Or are they talking about those little stand-up scooters the kids buzz around on? KS is easy--less than 125cc, scooter. Otherwise, motorcycle. Period. >'Kat Basically the current published DMV stance in Florida is that all mortor scooters that can go over 30 mph or are over 49cc are considered motorcycles. 49cc and smaller bikes are considered mopeds as long as they can't go over 30 mph. A motorized razor is what they classify as a scooter as long as it does not have a seat option then it is a moped. |
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or so a year for basic liability insurance , tag is 15 , register is 10 and property tax can vary but mine is 24 dollars .
