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Post by endru on Mar 9, 2013 22:57:06 GMT -5
I'm wondering if I can plug the fresh air inlet hose for the EGR, and if that would even be advisable or beneficial. I've done a lot of research tonight so let me try to give everyone the full picture of what I know and don't know. First of all, I don't think I even have the full EGR system on my scoot. There is a thick black inlet hose (the one I'm thinking of plugging) that hangs out the back above the exhaust pipe. In-line on that hose is a one-way valve which I'm assuming contains a simple filter, which is contained within a small black cartridge. The hose continues to the valve cover, where it's connected to a metal piece that looks like a padlock. From the padlock (whatever that is) there is an S-bent metal tube that goes into the head. This is the part that people usually block off with a blocking plate. I'm guessing that inlet on the head directs the incoming cool air into the exhaust manifold or possibly the combustion chamber directly, I really have no clue. Either way, I don't believe this is a full EGR, because that would include exhaust gases being mixed with that cool air coming in, but there is no exhaust gas hose coming into the system, there is no sign of an EGR valve, unless it's that padlock thingy, and there is no 2nd vacuum line from the intake manifold, just the one which controls the fuel petcock. So what is all this that I have? Maybe the framework for an EGR system? If this little system I have is meant to cool the combustion chamber in order to decrease emissions, wouldn't it also be hurting performance? Like I mentioned, most people block off the EGR intake on the head using a plate that they either fabricate or buy. Why not just plug the inlet hose with a bolt or something? Before I went off and tried this, I thought I'd post to the forum to see if I understand this thing correctly and what the potential results would be. Oh and I googled this image of an EGR valve cover, which looks pretty much just like mine. Attachments:
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Post by Noneshere on Mar 10, 2013 0:24:52 GMT -5
Well as I understand , Exhaust gas is sent back into the intakes air flow to cycle through again. It only happens in mid rpm (cruising rpms) , not at idle or full throttle.
Exhaust gas is mostly inert (non-flameable being already burned) , so your putting non-flameable gas back into the cylinder, taking up space normally consumed by air (oxygen=heat) . Makes a chemical wedge, the less air in the same size cylinder now requires less fuel . This volume swap runs much cooler because of the reduced oxygen igniting.
Nitrous oxide works the same, it is completely non-flameable. It works like a freezing cold expanding gas brick being thrown in the flow , shrinking the cylinder chemically and instantly raising the compression at the same time when injected.
Blocking off the egr system gets it out of the way completely and prevents a possibility of high + low rpm/idle issues due to a stuck open egr at a later time. Runs cooler and gets better mileage if you keep it , getting rid of it eliminates it as a possible problem later though.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 10, 2013 0:56:51 GMT -5
That is not an EGR system that is a PAIR system(Pulsed Air Injection Reburn) a EGR(Exhaust Gas Recirculation) is a valve actually on the pipe. Alleyoop Here is an EGR Valve Valve welded into the exhaust pipe.
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Post by endru on Mar 10, 2013 20:45:53 GMT -5
That is not an EGR system that is a PAIR system(Pulsed Air Injection Reburn) a EGR(Exhaust Gas Recirculation) is a valve actually on the pipe. Alleyoop I agree that it's not EGR. There is nothing tapped from the exhaust, so no exhaust gas being recirculated into the system. I'm skeptical though that it's a PAIR system, or at least that it is a true PAIR system. Like EGR, The PAIR system also has a valve attachment which is controlled by a vacuum tube coming from the intake. The oxygen rich air is directed into the exhaust manifold in order to heat up the exhaust and activate the catalytic converter. My bike doesn't have this valve, but I guess it could still be PAIR without it. Why even have a valve in the first place if the system is powered by the negative pressure created by the passing exhaust gases? If it's just putting extra air into the exhaust line, then I see no reason why this would hurt performance. And if it's making the catalytic converter work better, then I would consider it beneficial actually.
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