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Post by JR on Jul 4, 2013 23:51:08 GMT -5
Larry, I understand. It is like the people that hate Harleys. They are free to do so but why make a big deal of it, just don't buy one. If you don't like Chinese scooters don't buy one. Let other people pick what they like, want, need, or can afford.
Then give them a hand if they have a problem, they may get something else next time.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 4, 2013 23:58:08 GMT -5
I'm not bashing cheap Chinese bikes. They are what they are. I'm bashing people that try to make them into something they are not. When I bought my first Chinese scooter, that was all I could afford (the first of two). I worked on it like everybody else (too much) and kept it running. But unlike a lot of people here, I knew my Chinese scooter was not the best quality and had no illusions it was as good as a Genuine or Kymco, which were very popular scooters at the time. But back then a quality scooter would set you back $3000. Now there are several budget Taiwanese models that cost just a few hundred dollars more than a Znen. Without ever having owned a "budget" Taiwanese model, some people on this forum keep saying their "better" Chinese scooters are just as good. I have owned both, and just about anyone that has knows there is a big difference. The point of a much lower cost of purchasing a Chinese scooter just isn't valid anymore. This includes some brand new Taiwanese machines, not just getting lucky and finding a good deal on a used Japanese scooter. There are many threads in this forum where people are asking advice on how to fix their Chinese scooters, some of them very frustrated. There are many threads in this forum where people ask for purchasing advice. It seems if a non-Chinese solution is suggested, there are many people here that just have to bash it and put it down. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. And when the shoe is on the other foot, some of those very same people really don't like it
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Post by JR on Jul 5, 2013 0:28:58 GMT -5
I don't know. Everytime I offer advise I always say to get a name nrand one if you can not work on it. I also would think that some of the name brand ones would be difficult to get parts for, for a lot of us and the chinese ones parts are pretty available.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 11:08:24 GMT -5
Yes, some of the name brand scooters use very proprietary parts that can be difficult to find. This is one of the main reasons I sold my SYM HD200 EVO, which gave me over 5000 miles of flawless service in one year. But with a little bit of research you can find many Taiwanese scooter models that use a very generic GY6 design. Parts are universal and easy to find. You can buy Taiwanese/Japanese parts or cheaper Chinese parts
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Post by spandi on Jul 5, 2013 12:28:02 GMT -5
....or just put in an upgraded crank and have cheap, easy to work on transportation WITHOUT brand name proprietary parts and high labor costs
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 12:40:08 GMT -5
....or just put in an upgraded crank and have cheap, easy to work on transportation WITHOUT brand name proprietary parts and high labor costs No, no, no!!!! Most Taiwanese budget scooters use generic GY6 parts. The engines are universally designed and can use both name brand and generic parts. You can easily do all of your own work just like on a Chinese scooter, so what high labor costs? A budget Taiwanese scooter is easier to work on. Fasteners, hoses, plastics, bolts, screws, cables, and gaskets are more robust and one doesn't have to expect that some of this will break just because you take it apart. More importantly critical engine, exhaust and transmission components are a better quality metal and stripping out bolts is less of a risk.
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Post by spandi on Jul 5, 2013 12:56:08 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes! China scoots rule world!
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 13:13:03 GMT -5
Noooooooo!!!!!!! Help me!!!!! I'm losing my mind
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Post by spandi on Jul 5, 2013 13:16:25 GMT -5
Ok then, so which Taiwanese scoots take cheap parts? (China scoots still rule world.)
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Post by scootnwinn on Jul 5, 2013 15:00:23 GMT -5
Spandi we have been here before production wise (sheer number produced yearly) Indian and Taiwanese scoots rule the world
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 15:36:47 GMT -5
Spandi we have been here before production wise (sheer number produced yearly) Indian and Taiwanese scoots rule the world Yes, that is correct! It seems China scooters rule this forum!
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
Ok then, so which Taiwanese scoots take cheap parts? The Lance Cali Classic 125, Lance PCH 125 and SYM Fiddle 125 all use a GY6 with a ceramic coated cylinders. There is at least a half a dozen different websites that sell cylinder/piston kits, ceramic, regular, Taiwanese or Chinese, or BBK if that's what you want. Genuine Buddy 125/150, and Kymco Agility 125 have the same engine parts availability. The Tomos Nitro 150 uses a GY6b engine that has a different cylinder, but I was still able to find both a Taiwanese and Chinese cylinder/piston kit for it, and Tomos has the replacement parts available and for sale. All of the above mentioned scooters can use generic CDI's, ignition coils, variators, clutches, gear sets, stators, shocks, brake pads, carbs and other various components. There are more Taiwanese models that use a more or less standard GY6 and would have the same parts availability, but I only specifically researched the models I was considering purchasing. I also had a 2007 SYM DD50 two-stroke that I bought for $500 with 1200 miles is somewhat abused but running condition. I was able to find a generic/universal part for everything I want to replace or upgrade.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 5, 2013 18:14:22 GMT -5
[replyingto=gitsum]gitsum[/replyingto]Well us china girl lovers do need a place to discuss our scoot problems,,is there a forum specifically for Chinese scoots,,I thought this one was,,if its not I think I joined the wrong forum
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