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Post by dirtypot on Jul 2, 2013 6:34:59 GMT -5
Hi Guys Even though this is my first post, I'd just like to say thanks for all the help so far. The advice that I've found on the forum has made me a lot more knowledgeable on the scoot and fixing it. Its a 125 GY6 with the headlight guard / cage thing over the headlights. I can see it a few times in the pictures scrolling at the top of the page. I'm having a problem with it cutting out. It seems to be after it gets warmed up. Starts easily straight away off the button and rides with no problems for about five-ish minutes. When it dies it will not restart for a few minutes, but once took a few hours before it would restart. It dies at different RPM, sometimes slowing down, sometimes accelerating and other times just cruising on a steady throttle. When it dies, if I twist the throttle I can hear the tone changes, so the fuel is still going through. When it dies, there is no spark. Before coming across all of the advice on here, I started off replacing parts. I changed the CDI (nothing different happened - same issues) then the ignition coil (same issues) then the spark plug lead and cap (same issues). I've checked that fuel is getting through the petcock as its meant to, and the carb has been stripped and cleaned. All of the jets are clean and there is no gunk in the bowl. Checked these things just to be safe and tick it off my list. Then last night I got hold of a multimeter and did all of the tests on the electrics. I did these tests twice, once when everything was cold, and another time once I was in 'no spark' zone. Everything measured fine and within spec for both of the tests, except the red/black wire from the stator. For the cold test it measured around 87-90vAC (20-100vAC is recommended from what I believe?), but when in 'no spark zone' it only measured 0.6-2.1vAC. I'm sure that this is my issue, but just wanted to confirm before I invest in a flywheel puller and stator. Does the stator fail with heat? It seems that once the engine is up to temperature the stator does not give enough power to the CDI, and therefore the spark dies. Is this correct? Is there anything else that could be causing this problem? The blue pickup wire has good signal all the time, warm or cold. If it is just the stator that's the problem, is there a way of knowing if I have a 6 or 8 pole without removing the flywheel? If its a 6 pole that I have, is there an advantage to going with an 8 pole? Is it a straight swap? Thanks for any help, and hopefully I haven't rambled on too much, just wanted to get all of the information that I have across. Chris
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 2, 2013 8:25:10 GMT -5
Did you check the voltage while all the plugs were connected. I belived if the cdi is bad. And connected while the problem is happening it will load the voltage down. I would recheck while the problem is present and unplug the cdi and recheck the voltage.
John
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Post by dirtypot on Jul 2, 2013 8:31:12 GMT -5
The wires in question were disconnected from the CDI during testing. They are the bullet connectors. Tests were done just cranking the engine.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 2, 2013 8:33:02 GMT -5
I've seen heat cause high resistance in a coil winding and fail intermittently like you say,,sounds like stator to me if you changed CDI.
When it fails and no spark,,crank the motor over with electric starter,,if the CDI is ac and the headlights come on with the engine running,,you should be able to see the headlights starting to light as the motor turns over if the stator is putting anything out.If they dimly light it still may be bad not putting out enough for the CDI to fire off to the coil.If they don't light at all and its AC fired the stator or wiring is at fault.
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 2, 2013 8:48:14 GMT -5
Your stator is bad. You need to see what stator your scooter has and would be best to do a direct replacement. If your looking to add more lighting or other electrics. Now would be a good time for a stator upgrade to 11pole stator.
I have all 3 stators in stock and ready to ship.
John
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Post by dirtypot on Jul 2, 2013 10:57:52 GMT -5
I've just gotten home with a flywheel puller, but can't get the nut on the flywheel to come off? Any ideas for someone who does not have access to an impact wrench? I've sprayed WD40 all over it.
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 2, 2013 11:22:56 GMT -5
It can be done, take or to a service station and let them hit it with an impact gun. It will be a hard task without an impact gun.
John
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Post by dirtypot on Jul 2, 2013 11:44:27 GMT -5
I attacked it with a few tools and bolts to hold the flywheel steady and managed to get it off without an impact wrench. Happy with myself ;D The flywheel itself popped off nice and easy with the puller. Its an 8 pole stator - is it possible to clean it up, or something like that, or should it just be replaced? I've pulled it out of the scoot, but really have no idea what I'm meant to be looking for.
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Post by tvnacman on Jul 2, 2013 11:56:56 GMT -5
You would need to rewind the stator.
John
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Post by dirtypot on Jul 17, 2013 9:30:21 GMT -5
Hi guys I just wanted to finish this one off, as when I was researching I hated people describing the problem but then not listing the result! In the end I got a new stator with pickup and a new flywheel. This sorted the issue. The bike has been running for a few days now with no issues at all. It feels different when coming off the power too - its smoother, no spluttering which it was doing before. Don't know if its just coincidence or not... Anyway, thanks again for the help
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Post by jerseyboy on Jun 6, 2014 6:21:19 GMT -5
It may have been a bad pick up coil I have seen them work until the motor gets hot then quit as well...
I know its an old thread but just wanted to add that in case..
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 6, 2014 23:22:39 GMT -5
Just to let you know the puller has reverse threads so u attach it to the flywheel counter clockwise .
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