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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 18:31:35 GMT -5
I don't know when a culture of just-answer-anything-doesn't-matter-if-you're-right took over  . When I come to a board for help, I want concise answers from people that know. While I realize those answers can vary, why do people who turn out to be flatly wrong insist on answering? Have they successfully deluded themselves into thinking they know everything? Do they just have too much energy? Is it wrong to expect/ask for only people who really know an answer to answer a question? This is particularly worrisome to me regarding issues that can affect health/safe riding directly. EDIT: remember the title of the thread is, "Request; if you don't know, don't act like you do!" So while I think it's perfectly fine for everybody to pipe in with opinions and experiences on posts, what makes me want to tear my hair out is when people throw something out there that is entirely wrong but present it as fact. So it's important to understand I DO think everybody should take part if they've had an experience, but there is nothing wrong with saying, "In my opinion," or "When that happened to me," vs. "This is the rule; you must never use brakes or you could skid and die; use only your shoes." |
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Post by payneib on Mar 4, 2013 18:45:57 GMT -5
Well that's the most stupid, unhelpful and down right backward thing I've ever read on an advice forum, of any subject.
While you're right that a direct correct answer is the easiest, simplest and quickest route to a solution, I doubt it's always the best route to a solution. Open debate, assistance in thinking through a problem, education on how to reach the correct answer yourself, are all far more useful, especially in engineering and defect rectification, than being spoon fed the answers all the time. There'll be a time when you're stuck without access to help from this forum, and the "process" of solving a problem is more important to you than a list of answers. Wrong answers are a part of that process.
If you don't want replies from everyone, and feel only a select few are worthy of answering your questions, don't post in a public forum.
Hurumph.
Ian.
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 18:55:38 GMT -5
Stupid? Seriously? Oh my. Eventually they grow up. No, you didn't read my post, paynib. I agree with what you are saying, so if I'm stupid, well, you're stupid. What I said was when it turns out that they were "flatly wrong," (vs. "open debate," "process of solving," etc.--do you know the difference?) why do they continue to just jump in and throw anything out there as if it were fact. A simple qualifying statement would do; "In my experience..." "My opinion is..." But to jump in and say, "Yes, you can pour water in your gas tank. It will help clean it out," what is driving that person? Certainly not sabotage. I don't want that in an answer to my question and I sure as don't want it in an answer to a newbs question who might actually follow the advice. Stupid huh? Wow.
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 4, 2013 18:55:49 GMT -5
Wutz , take it with a grain of salt . Not every question is cut and dry to answer . Yes there are several that upon posting here and reading I knew I would listen to . Then look through the fog/fuzz . Some posts i'm unsure of so I watch and read . I suck with carbs and I don't know 2t's , well that is compaired to some guys .
John
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 18:57:39 GMT -5
I hear you John. I guess I've never understood what's wrong with just not knowing. Some people just can't not know. You know?  |
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Post by JR on Mar 4, 2013 18:59:17 GMT -5
Let's start this over, we don't gain anything by making comments about anyone or anything being one way or another. I'll agree that correct answers are best but what I find puzzling is this? if you are asking for help because you need a answer for a problem then how do you know for sure that any person is answering correctly if you aren't sure yourself?
While some may be voicing their opinion on what's wrong and may be wrong themselves it does accomplish something sometimes. Electrical is sometimes people's toughest challenge on these things we call scooters but I can tell you that sometimes the best and most knowledgable people miss the problem sometimes and with electrical the only way to find the trouble sometimes is by a process of elimination on what or what not might be wrong?
Generally speaking most people don't reply that they know what's wrong for sure but rather make educated guesses or references to the possibilities of what is wrong.
Some relate to a problem they may have had if it sounds the same, may hit it on the head and may miss the bus all together. Just be polite and move on if that suggestion isn't the problem.
Same with this thread we can disagree and be friendly at the same time.
JR
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 19:01:53 GMT -5
Like I said, JR, a simple qualifying statement if you don't know would give the OP the appropriate weight to apply to your opinion. Again, I'm talking about people who post things routinely that are "flatly wrong," as if it were well-established fact.
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Post by millsc on Mar 4, 2013 19:02:15 GMT -5
i've been wrong on stuff several times too wutz, as you know, but i have learned from my wrong answers also, i know zero about wiring so i stay out of those issues.
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Post by JR on Mar 4, 2013 19:02:40 GMT -5
Like I said, JR, a simple qualifying statement if you don't know would give the OP the appropriate weight to apply to your opinion. Again, I'm talking about people who post things routinely that are "flatly wrong," as if it were well-established fact. I understand.  |
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Post by teddy554 on Mar 4, 2013 19:04:55 GMT -5
how about the people that ask question to, like. Example- i got a scooter a paid a 100 dollars for, the guy i bought it from say it needs a carb.It isnt running please help....I hate those question.
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 19:06:36 GMT -5
i've been wrong on stuff several times too wutz, as you know, but i have learned from my wrong answers also, i know zero about wiring so i stay out of those issues. I'm wrong all the time, bro! My favorite quote is by Socrates: "Only one thing that I know; that is that I know nothing." But if you say, "My opinion is..." or "I once saw this work..." vs. "Just fill the tires up with oil; works perfectly, everybody does it..." I don't get why people come from an angle if "this is fact, well-established" because those of us that don't know will believe that, at least initially, so it's incredibly misleading and potentially very dangerous... like I said, being willing to be wrong is a sign of being intelligent (imo), but to present a wrong thing as fact is a sign of being deluded or something more sinister. |
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 4, 2013 19:09:36 GMT -5
I hear you John. I guess I've never understood what's wrong with just not knowing. Some people just can't not know. You know? What makes a good tech is understanding and being able to identify what you know and what you don't . Then learning what you don't . JR makes a good point . Some people feel the need to give back from thete experiance . You could rip an entire harness out of a scooter every wire . Bring it to me and I can make it work/fix it . Can I do it over the forum , that would be a stretch . Just play nice , my mom taught me if nothing nice is going to come out keep it closed . John |
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 19:09:45 GMT -5
how about the people that ask question to, like. Example- i got a scooter a paid a 100 dollars for, the guy i bought it from say it needs a carb.It isnt running please help....I hate those question. I was guilty of that til I learned the ropes; honestly, while it can be rather lazy in appearance, I think some people really don't know what else to ask. You know? Like they don't know the anatomy in order to ask a more specific question. But if they give a vague question, you can always give a vague answer  |
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Post by millsc on Mar 4, 2013 19:11:20 GMT -5
i've been wrong on stuff several times too wutz, as you know, but i have learned from my wrong answers also, i know zero about wiring so i stay out of those issues. I'm wrong all the time, bro! My favorite quote is by Socrates: "Only one thing that I know; that is that I know nothing." But if you say, "My opinion is..." or "I once saw this work..." vs. "Just fill the tires up with oil; works perfectly, everybody does it..." I don't get why people come from an angle if "this is fact, well-established" because those of us that don't know will believe that, at least initially, so it's incredibly misleading and potentially very dangerous... like I said, being willing to be wrong is a sign of being intelligent (imo), but to present a wrong thing as fact is a sign of being deluded or something more sinister. I still feel bad about having you get the wrong switch parts  |
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 4, 2013 19:15:33 GMT -5
I'm wrong all the time, bro! My favorite quote is by Socrates: "Only one thing that I know; that is that I know nothing." But if you say, "My opinion is..." or "I once saw this work..." vs. "Just fill the tires up with oil; works perfectly, everybody does it..." I don't get why people come from an angle if "this is fact, well-established" because those of us that don't know will believe that, at least initially, so it's incredibly misleading and potentially very dangerous... like I said, being willing to be wrong is a sign of being intelligent (imo), but to present a wrong thing as fact is a sign of being deluded or something more sinister. I still feel bad about having you get the wrong switch parts Oh seriously? I FORGOT about that til you mentioned it! XD Dont' sweat that... I wasn't talking about that, anyway. It was like one or two dollars and it was a simple mistake. I appreciate your help and as much as you have helped me, if I can't excuse a one or two dollar mistake, that says a lot about me and nothing bad about you! |
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