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Post by spandi on May 7, 2013 19:02:14 GMT -5
I seam to remember that we went to WAR with the British 237 Year's ago Technically..........that wasn't a war, that was a terrorist insurgency, illegally supported by the French! But we're all friends now. Except the French.  Ian Of course we'er friends Ian, after all, Winston Churchill's mom was an AMERICAN ;D (and who can figure out the French anyways?) |
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Post by bvance554 on May 8, 2013 0:08:07 GMT -5
On one hand i understand that states have lost a lot of revenue due to online sales, but with the exception of CA they're getting by. Get out of my pockets already.
Here is a good one. The Peoples Republic Of Maryland is considering the use of satelite weather data to tax you according to how much rain falls on your property. This is to pay for environmental protection of the Chesapeake Bay. Nutty as .
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 0:14:18 GMT -5
You know I like the idea. Might help level the playing field for my favorite local shop. Provides funding for government building and helps keep my guys working. Why line the pockets of folks far from home when you can help them out in your neighborhood. Tax away I say
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Post by urbanmadness on May 8, 2013 0:37:07 GMT -5
You know I like the idea. Might help level the playing field for my favorite local shop. Provides funding for government building and helps keep my guys working. Why line the pockets of folks far from home when you can help them out in your neighborhood. Tax away I say I disagree with you... for one it's not leveling the playing field. When a retailer has to keep track of who bought what where and tax accordingly, then send the taxes to what ever taxing authority is demanding money, it becomes an unfair burden to a small mail order business. Some will not be able to do business period. Many Brick and mortar retailers and small shops also rely on these mail order scooter part houses, and they too, will be affected. It's not just about taxes, its about the burden of tracking all the transactions. That's the real expense and that's what is going to affect the mail order industry, more then anything. The tax will be passed on to the consumer, the start up costs for the computer systems and software costs to track the taxable transactions (would have to be completely audit-able) isn't something a lot of small business can afford. This isn't something you can do with Quickbooks and it's not just state taxes we are talking about. It's at the county level. California alone has 58 counties all with different tax rates. I think a better solution would be to tax at the point of origin. |
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Post by urbanmadness on May 8, 2013 0:41:39 GMT -5
On one hand i understand that states have lost a lot of revenue due to online sales, but with the exception of CA they're getting by. Get out of my pockets already. Here is a good one. The Peoples Republic Of Maryland is considering the use of satelite weather data to tax you according to how much rain falls on your property. This is to pay for environmental protection of the Chesapeake Bay. Nutty as . Sounds like a dirty trick, California would pull. I'll have you know tho... for the first time in many years, California has what the politicians and the governor call a balanced budget. (on the backs of the people, like me, too stupid to move out of state)... |
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 0:53:12 GMT -5
You know I like the idea. Might help level the playing field for my favorite local shop. Provides funding for government building and helps keep my guys working. Why line the pockets of folks far from home when you can help them out in your neighborhood. Tax away I say I disagree with you... for one it's not leveling the playing field. When a retailer has to keep track of who bought what where and tax accordingly, then send the taxes to what ever taxing authority is demanding money, it becomes an unfair burden to a small mail order business. Some will not be able to do business period. Many Brick and mortar retailers and small shops also rely on these mail order scooter part houses, and they too, will be affected. It's not just about taxes, its about the burden of tracking all the transactions. That's the real expense and that's what is going to affect the mail order industry, more then anything. The tax will be passed on to the consumer, the start up costs for the computer systems and software costs to track the taxable transactions (would have to be completely audit-able) isn't something a lot of small business can afford. This isn't something you can do with Quickbooks and it's not just state taxes we are talking about. It's at the county level. California alone has 58 counties all with different tax rates. I think a better solution would be to tax at the point of origin. I work for a small business and we pay taxes in many counties using QuickBooks. Any dealer is already set up to do this. I still say it levels the playing field. There is too much online ordering and it does affect the local guys. I have seen guys on here say they go to a motorcycle shop and try stuff on then buy it online to save a couple bucks that's ridiculous and borderline unethical I would be happy to see these people encouraged to buy where they try it on. Also in this day and age paying taxes electronically is quite possible and our bookkeeper does it in an hour or so. Its not a big deal at all |
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Post by Jarlaxle on May 8, 2013 7:49:34 GMT -5
You are mot thinking this through: there are more than NINE THOUSAND different sales tax juristictions in the country. There is, as yet, no software capable of dealing with it. This should be called the "Amazon-Walmart Protection Act", because that is precisely what it is!
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Post by carasdad on May 8, 2013 8:09:49 GMT -5
Technically..........that wasn't a war, that was a terrorist insurgency, illegally supported by the French! But we're all friends now. Except the French. Ian Of course we'er friends Ian, after all, Winston Churchill's mom was an AMERICAN ;D (and who can figure out the French anyways?) While in the Military and over seas...I took a French Self Defense course...but all that running was exhausting..  |
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 22:09:38 GMT -5
9000 is not that many I doubt on your first day you will receive orders from all 9000. If QuickBooks can track the 12 or so we have now or at least allow us to enter the correct rate not sure why overly sophisticated software would be needed. Making Amazon and WalMart track this doesn't seem like it is protecting them...
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Post by JR on May 8, 2013 22:24:51 GMT -5
9000 is not that many I doubt on your first day you will receive orders from all 9000. If QuickBooks can track the 12 or so we have now or at least allow us to enter the correct rate not sure why overly sophisticated software would be needed. Making Amazon and WalMart track this doesn't seem like it is protecting them... Here in California, each and every city can have its own sales tax rate, sure they will all run from a low of 8% to perhaps 10% on the highest side but each town can have a different tax rate from each neighboring town. |
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 22:28:27 GMT -5
Same here we deal with it daily we have a list of all the tax rates in the state and have to keep it updated its just part of doing business...
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Post by JR on May 8, 2013 22:41:47 GMT -5
Same here we deal with it daily we have a list of all the tax rates in the state and have to keep it updated its just part of doing business... It should not be. |
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 23:09:28 GMT -5
Taxes are a certainty. I'm all for doing away entirely with income tax and just putting a flat tax on every sale. You capture tax from all those who generally won't pay income tax i.e drug dealers, undocumented workers, etc. An increased revenue is sure. Not sure why taxes shouldn't be... We do appreciate civilization and security but shouldn't pay for it? I'm sure I am misunderstanding and you meant that the rates should just be normalized. I doubt businesses will be required to do anything but pay the rate they should in the jurisdiction they are in and not actually figure out what the,rate is for the buyers jurisdiction. If I go to California and buy something I pay the local tax rate not the rate of where I live. Online purchases will be the same, online buyers pay the business' local rate. The taxes support infrastructure and the local government the business benefits from. Seems fair to me. As a general contractor we charge the rate of the jurisdiction we are building in for the same reasons... It really is pretty simple.
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Post by bvance554 on May 8, 2013 23:14:13 GMT -5
9000 is not that many I doubt on your first day you will receive orders from all 9000. If QuickBooks can track the 12 or so we have now or at least allow us to enter the correct rate not sure why overly sophisticated software would be needed. Making Amazon and WalMart track this doesn't seem like it is protecting them... Why are you so ready to pay the government more of your hard earned money? When will enough ever be enough? To be frank, your way of thinking scares me. It scary to imagine how many people think just like you do, that its ok to fork over more of your money to the government so they can squander it away with zero oversight, because you think it levels the playing field. I already pay about a third of my income to the government, and for most of that they get their cut before i get mine. Yet that is still not enough...i should pay more. To make things fair you say? |
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Post by scootnwinn on May 8, 2013 23:24:25 GMT -5
If you conduct business and use the local roads, sidewalks, schools, etc you should pay for that privilege whether you sell to someone local or 1000 miles away that is fair. I am not for higher taxes just fair ones. I am not for sending this money off to Washington just using it in my local community. I'm not sure that you understand what sales tax is. Its not a federal tax.
What I said after the post you quoted was I am in favor of a flat tax on all purchases every where for everyone 10% should do it 3 for the feds and the rest stays local and no one has income tax. That is good fairness...
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