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Post by spandi on Apr 12, 2013 23:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Apr 13, 2013 0:17:25 GMT -5
Are you saying a vespa is over priced?
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 13, 2013 0:23:17 GMT -5
Mercedes cost more than Kias so a premium brand of scooter will as well . I only have ridden a 1952 Piaggio Vespa which is a 2T with 4 speed tranny and I was impressed by it . Yes Vespa and some other brands have 49ccs that are pricey compared to the common Chinese ones but sometimes it is worth the extra . I had 2 Honda scooters and had not a single issue with ether one . Anything new will depreciate heck a new car looses a few grand once the tires leave the lot . Parts are often higher on brand name where China scooters are mostly generic as far as engine goes , many share the same body types too with a few being proprietary
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Post by JR on Apr 13, 2013 0:31:49 GMT -5
Perhaps I did not read the post correctly. I thought that the page referenced was demonstrating that if you factor in inflation to the price , a 1965 vespa would cost $2,200.00 today.
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 13, 2013 0:37:41 GMT -5
i feel Vespa is pricey, but those who buy one know why they are. are they worth the price? sure, if you want one. they are good scooters and the 300's are unique in scooting with their smaller wheels and big (for a scooter) engine. but again cost compared to what? well, other scooters. you can get two or three scooters for the cost of one Vespa. or a motorcycle and a scooter. a quality scooter, too. even if a little used. the 150cc Vespa? well, that is a bit of money for a 150 imo. too precious
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Post by spandi on Apr 13, 2013 2:06:25 GMT -5
Perhaps I did not read the post correctly. I thought that the page referenced was demonstrating that if you factor in inflation to the price , a 1965 vespa would cost $2,200.00 today. Yes Doug, by round about inference I am asking why a Vespa that took roughly the same level of materials and craftsmanship to construct (aside from technological advances) Should be THREE times the price? Of course there are other examples of relatively inexpensive 1960's motor vehicles (think the Mini and VW bug) now seemingly bumped up to the "Luxury Class"
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Post by prodigit on Apr 13, 2013 2:26:59 GMT -5
Are you saying a vespa is over priced? LOL!
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Post by rockynv on Apr 13, 2013 7:43:51 GMT -5
$300 was a months pay for a mid level manager back then with that same manager getting $60,000+ today so I am getting $5,000+ today for the 65 Vespa. In that same time frame a full sized car or truck was about $1,800 and now their around $30,000 so it seems about even. $300 was a lot of money in 1965. You could buy a good used car with a warranty from a dealer for that much.
As for value well lets see a co-worker rides a 2001 Vespa ET4 to work daily. It listed for $3,999 back then but with a little haggling you got them for $3,000 to $3,500 and you got them at $3,500 to throw in the top case, helmet and some other extra. In the past 12 years all it has required for service is tires and regular roller/belt replacement. He is from Italy and got the Vespa when he came to the USA because they are handed down in the family back home and are considered reliable basic transportation. You do the maintenance using the specified lubricants and they last almost forever. His still has the original paint which in Florida is a rare thing on a 2001 model year.
My 2007 Lance Vintage on the other hand by 3,000 miles already required major engine work and a replacment head. By 8,000 miles had gone through 2 heads and an endless list of parts that had fatigued, fractured or fallen off even requiring bearing replacement/rebuilding of the final drive.
For a bargain wait for when Aprilia runs factory specials and get bikes with the same Piaggio 150 and 250 drive trains as the Vespa for $1,599 to $2,999.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 13, 2013 8:35:00 GMT -5
You truly are paying for the name with a Vespa. Yes, you're buying better quality, but you're also buying the "Vespa mystique". That's why smaller-engined Vespas cost more than my Piaggio BV. Same manufacturer, same quality, probably lots of the same parts. But mine says "Piaggio" while the others say "Vespa". There's the price diff. Me, I'm happy with my Piggy. >'Kat
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Post by spandi on Apr 13, 2013 14:21:30 GMT -5
Kat you hit the nail on the head. You're paying for somewhat better mechanical components, but what your really buying (and what they're socking it to you for) is the name. Back then the Vespa was just a good scoot. (I don't think the kids in London, the mods, could have afforded todays "Mystique") but they bought the relatively inexpensive Vespas in droves. As I said before, It's happened with a lot of 60's icons. Cheap then, objects of high priced idolatry now. (mostly by those too young to have been there.)
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 13, 2013 21:53:34 GMT -5
OK are we saying here with Vespa you don't get what you pay for, or just know what you're paying for? Is there more to it then country of origin, mystique, a bit of refinement, and an all metal body....or is that about it?
Let's look at the 250 / 300. A scoot that can be somewhat high maintenance at times, and costly to own for a scooter, at least. OTD pricing where I live would be around $7400, give or take. Used or "leftover" you're looking at $5500, MAYBE.
This is "How It's Made"
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Post by rockynv on Apr 14, 2013 0:59:40 GMT -5
A Vespa 150 today lists for $4,599 to $5,499 at my local dealer. Which to me based on paychecks for equivalent occupation in 1965 and today comes out about the same.
What you do pay a premium for on the Vespa is the unibody steel construction which can last for generations. Aprilia, Piaggio and Vespa are running the same Piaggio engines and cvt systems and the Aprilia can be had for about the same cost as a Chinese bike if you watch for the factory incentives.
When I purchased my Aprilia 250 the choices locally were Chinese 250 for $2,599, Honda 150 for $4,000, Vespa 250 for $5,000 or the Aprilia 250 for $2,999.
You can understand the value of the Vespa when you see a 12 year old daily ride ridden year round here in the south that is still original with only replacement belts, rollers and brake linings. Even the paint still looks close to showroom. I park next to one almost daily.
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