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Post by fireball12 on Apr 7, 2018 8:08:13 GMT -5
I believe all the dealers fib a little to sale more scooters. Can not find a honest dealer even in autos. According to the State of Missouri, what classifies a moped is not larger than 50cc and a brake horsepower of no more than 3 and only travel on level ground at 30mph. Well, got looking at 50cc scooters and alot claim this scooter done 35 mph and had a HP of 3.5. So I looked up the manufacturer and they said, it does 30 mph and HP 1.8. A little better if one goes by guidelines. So yesterday I got looking at the tire size. It said, the front tire was 2.15 x 10... I could not find that size. Well, the online store had a picture of the front tire on web. I blew it up and it said 3.5 x 10.. So don't take someone's word on a description of a scooter. My Bali 250 the online dealer claimed it would do 80mph but Roketa claimed it would only do 68 mph. Dealers even get it wrong. The 3.5 HP was for the 150cc model verses the 50cc at HP 1.8.. Like tire size, how much time would that take a dealer to realize it was a blunder. Too correct it. He had a picture of the tire size. But I do believe the dealers are out to make money. Nothing wrong with this. We all are for this.
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 7, 2018 17:25:52 GMT -5
Allot of it goes back on the manufactures, they provide the misleading, incorrect, contradicting information to the dealers, the dealers to use whats provide to them. Here is the riveted metal placard from my Scoot, read the oil and and fuel information.  Now here the Manual, read the fuel and oil information. Huh? Also not the HP in Kw thats converts to 8.18hp almost every 150 GY I have ever seen the advertised hp has been between the 8.18 and 10hp, I see mostly the 8.18hp 
Also in the Scooter world the HP figures are sometimes in Brake HP and thats at the Crankshaft, the two Wheel industry doesn't usually advertise Brake HP mostly Rear Wheel Horsepower or RWHP. So If you have 3 Brake HP that may very well be 1.8 RWHP. Most manufactures don't tell you if its Brake or RWHP |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 7, 2018 17:43:43 GMT -5
Now this is from vendors who know darn well what there selling, and its very convenient to sell it all as "High Performance Racing" No returns. Here some Genuine 100% Guaranteed Fake product. Fake 26mm carb on left.  Genuine Fake Titanium Valve Springs, Note magnet stick to te Ti..  Fake Performance Exhaust.  |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 7, 2018 17:48:46 GMT -5
And this one is one of the best, gotta be allot of people scammed by the Fake Big Valve Cylinder heads. A 61mm head with big valves. oh sure theres big valves in the they just dropped them in Stock size Valve Seats. That great what the heck do big valves do in stock size valve seats? Nothing. Good thing I'm in the bus so I had fitted correct size seats and did a proper valve job.  |
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 7, 2018 17:52:42 GMT -5
Just buyer beware a 50 for under $500 bucks your getting just what you paid for.
My 150 was $749, and $120 freight I know exactly what I bought end accept the fact.
If you want solid specs and information with no fake parts and a real professional dealer network Id get a Yamaha S-Max and yup your going to have to pay the price for a solid quality Scoot
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Post by w650 on Apr 7, 2018 17:59:25 GMT -5
Most states demand that a 50cc scooter won't do over 30 mph so the distributors list specs that satisfy them. I had a stock Lance Charming and it would do 40 mph easily but my ears couldn't stand the screaming. My 50cc Kymco Like is just the same. 40 mph easily, maybe more, but the noise is horrific at any more than that. Now onto my 50cc Bashan Cub clone with four speed and centrifugal clutch. Listed at 30 mph also and, until it broke in, even I believed it. Then the engine loosened up. I've seen 55 mph on a level road. Not to mention 135 mpg with a carburetor no less. So Shhhhh. What the DMV doesn't know won't hurt them.
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Post by floridagull on Apr 7, 2018 18:10:03 GMT -5
The Baccio Heat 50 (Tao Tao ATM50-A1) that my son had would do 40-42 mph. Some of the scooters come in restricted to 30 mph - some do not, it would appear...  Kymco's, Genuines, Hondas, Yamahas, Piaggios, Vespas - the 50 cc's, anyway - I believe come in restricted. Your friendly neighborhood dealer will most likely be happy to de-restrict them for you...  |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Apr 8, 2018 19:18:41 GMT -5
" I had a stock Lance Charming and it would do 40 mph easily but my ears couldn't stand the screaming. "
Thats my kind of 50cc scoot!
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Post by cyborg55 on Apr 9, 2018 8:53:23 GMT -5
No fake made up stuff comin out of Taida ,,,excellent parts ,,excellent materials,,,excellent machining,,heat treats everything done correctly,,,piston guy even more than me have done many many builds,,,quality ain't cheap,,,but priceless,,,I don't even know how many members want to build a road burner for no money,,my last "build" I had keintec set me up a mikuni pumper carb,,jetted it with a intake manifold spacer and throttle handle and cable,,,he missed the complete set up by 300 rpm when I started it for the first time,,,and when warmed up is indistinguishable from fuel injection,,,$400 all in shipped,,,a major bargain,,,,,and it slipped right on no muss no fuss it is actually a cleaner install ,,lighter in weight ,,and better quality than the stocker,,some people look at the price ,,I look for quality,
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Post by pistonguy on Apr 10, 2018 8:33:03 GMT -5
Taida is the cream of whats out there but lets not forget this. Taida left out the Wristpin oil lube holes. a simple machining process that didn't get done. The Red dots are were the pin oilers should be. I can fix it I just shoulnt have to. I dont open my UPS or Fedx with a box cutter I open them with Micrometers, Dial Indicators and telescoping gauges.. And guess what? Its "racing" "high performance" No Warranty No Guarantee No Returns of any kind.. Ive sold thousands and thousands of "racing" pistons, they are are sold as is Now Warranty No Guarantee, But when we screwed up we Warranted the product and paid to fix motors.  |
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Post by chewbaca on Apr 10, 2018 10:59:43 GMT -5
time money effort
you can only avoid one by doing more of the others
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