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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 12, 2017 20:22:01 GMT -5
Well folks, things HAVE changed since my youth. Back in the sixties, we thought a modded, street-driven muscle-car with 400+ cid 450hp V8 turning in the 12's at maybe 110 was the "ultimate" ride... And, it WAS. Then...
Enter the new world of modern technology. Steve Morris Engines I had NOT heard of until now, but is known in the performance circles for their nearly unbelievable V8 engines. Good examples: Tom Bailey's 3,500hp Camaro. Turned 6-second 1/4-mile times in 2013, 5 days in a row, with 1,000 street-miles in between, TOWING a TRAILER! It won HOT ROD's Fastest Street Car in America. Bailey's 2015 car was even FASTER, turning 220+ mph...
Even though it was back in the sixties, I really thought the 10 and 11-second time-slips from my chopper "Old Blue" were "over the top". and it took a 76 pound rider to break into the tens... I was WRONG! How'd ya like to be driving a street-legal car, with a history of highway-trailer-towing that runs in the sixes @ 220-mph?
Street-cars have come a LONG way... I'm just passing this info on for some eye-opening fun, so PLEASE, no nasty replies saying it's impossible, I'm a squid, etc. It's documented. It's all for real, and it's doggoned FAST!
I suppose it's not all that amazing... My de-tuned Accord V6 is just 3.0 liters: That is only about 180 cid! Yet she puts out over 250hp. With her original track chip and tuned exhaust, she put out over 500hp. Small cubic inches but big ponies! The old adage "There's no replacement for displacement" is no longer valid.
Leo (drive it like ya' stole it) in Texas
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Post by wheelbender6 on Nov 12, 2017 22:09:15 GMT -5
Agreed, Leo. In the 60s, a muscle car needed 300 hp to get noticed. Some had over 400 hp (and drum brakes !).
These days, top of the line Mopars, Fords and Chevys can put out close to twice the HP. Life is good (if you can afford it).
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 13, 2017 19:22:18 GMT -5
Agreed, Leo. In the 60s, a muscle car needed 300 hp to get noticed. Some had over 400 hp (and drum brakes !). These days, top of the line Mopars, Fords and Chevys can put out close to twice the HP. Life is good (if you can afford it). Though not as crude as the cable-pull drum front-brake on my old chopper... HeHeHe...
Yeah, the times they are a changin'...I saw an ad in a magazine for a new Dodge... Said the NHRA has banned it from stock competition because it breaks into the "no-no" 9.45 second e.t. time... Ad said "Apologies?... NO". Whew, I guess some of the new Dodges have somewhere around 1,000 hp and can run LOW NINES at 160+ with mufflers and street-tires. I was watching one of those live Police docudramas and the police chase car was a new Dodge with that "Hellfire" motor (or whatever it's called) and a manual tranny. They were chasing a cretin on a stolen crotch-rocket and the camera-man passenger was shakily filming the speedo... I heard 7 gear-shifts as the chaser went from near-stop through, 50-60-80-100-150-190-200 and finally 207 on the Police-analog speedo!!! Caught the bike and tailgated him (as in a foot off his butt) at 200+ until the jerk couldn't stand the pressure and slowed down and surrendered. Over 200 is "white-knuckle" time in a CAR, let alone on a bike you just stole and never rode before. The fastest I've EVER gone on wheels was pegging the SCCA-certified 160-mph speedo in my Accord UEX and THAT was only for 30 seconds or so... Never again, but at least she rides on new Michelin W-168-mph rated tires... And I must admit, I WAS answering a challenge from the Nisan Z-car next to me... And yes, the freeway was straight, miles of visibility and totally devoid of police or ANY other traffic to endanger. I'm not nuts enough to endanger anyone in front of me.The frisky little hamster is mighty fast, and just once while the tires are new, I wanted to see what she'd do but things happen TOO fast above 150-mph. I wonder just WHAT tires those 200+mph police cars use? 
Still, I'm MORE than impressed by the Steve Morris STREET-LEGAL and DRIVEN cars that can run in the 6's at 220-mph in the quarter! Makes my beloved "Old Blue" seem downright slow! And Checking out some of his creations, it seems some are GM V-6's of just 2.0 liters... He's getting 3,500 hp from 120 cid!!! He does it with some VERY high-tech multi-turbo forced-induction setups. Wonder WHAT his company could do with a hot BIKE???
Until hearing of Steve Morris, I had NO idea such street-power was ever attempted, let alone actually accomplished.
Ride safe, and "watch yer' six"...Leo |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 13, 2017 22:32:01 GMT -5
they have those new high speed run flat tires, to prevent a blowout at those speeds
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Post by wheelbender6 on Nov 14, 2017 19:31:54 GMT -5
Remember when the Honda 750 four only made 40 hp? A lot of VWs only made 40 hp.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 16, 2017 1:10:57 GMT -5
Remember when the Honda 750 four only made 40 hp? A lot of VWs only made 40 hp. Sure do... And those old 750 4 cylinder bikes were still plenty fast... I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the incredible amount of horsepower-per-cubic-inch modern engines put out... After all, a liter is only about 60 cubic-inches. 1.4 liter Honda cars miniscule 85cid motors regularly put out 400+ hp in the hands of tuner kids... THAT is over 4.4 hp per cid... Even my Accord V6 3.0 liter (about 120 cid) puts out 256 hp PLUS plenty of torque... That's 2.1 hp per inch... And as kids, we thought we were making "killer hp" at 1 hp per cid, with V8's that were "built" and finicky, and gave 5mpg gas mileage...I have to grudgingly admit it... there actually IS a "replacement for displacement"... I guess it's "technology"... LOL! Good stuff... |
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 16, 2017 8:47:33 GMT -5
Oh Jeeeez here we go again with the Mystery Honda car and its Magic 250+some hp Chip.
I was really hoping you were going to omit this bunk from this thread you started.
So when I roll into town and call you out to luna rd you have that Mystery Chip and car ready to go correct?
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 16, 2017 21:22:57 GMT -5
Oh Jeeeez here we go again with the Mystery Honda car and its Magic 250+some hp Chip. I was really hoping you were going to omit this bunk from this thread you started. So when I roll into town and call you out to luna rd you have that Mystery Chip and car ready to go correct? Where DO you get this crap that I do not post? Do you ALWAYS run your mouth without listening? Of course...
PLEASE read this, understand WHAT I'm saying, and then let it drop. A stock '04 Accord 3.0 puts out 247hp and they're pretty quick. Mine was a track-raced UEX returned to street trim. My local Honda dealer tells me these cars retired to the street, like mine, retain a few factory intake tweaks, and are rated at 256hp with the STOCK chip, and tuned exhaust removed. And it's a little quicker yet, than bone-stock. END OF STORY. Once again, I started this post simply for the entertainment of members. I am amazed at the horsepower per cubic inch modern engines produce. I have no interest in Steve Morris Engines, save the incredible power they produce, and that they power STREET DRIVEN CARS THAT TURN IN THE SIXES AT OVER 200.. I believe you can find proof of that in the archives of HOT ROD Magazine... So... Maybe you should turn your attention to his company and tell him he's full of it. I'm sure he would reply in a more appropriate manner than I will.I've been nothing but friendly to you since you unmercifully trashed me, hoping you would be decent in return. Maybe you'd like copies of those 10-11 second time slips from "Old Blue" for your Christmas tree?
No further comment from me.Leo in Texas |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Nov 17, 2017 8:05:39 GMT -5
Tuning high performance cars with a laptop instead of a screwdriver doesn't appeal to me much either.
-i do love these kits for turbo cars that allow you to change the boost with the flip of a switch. The engine doesn't begin to gulp fuel until you need it.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 17, 2017 21:13:11 GMT -5
Tuning high performance cars with a laptop instead of a screwdriver doesn't appeal to me much either. -i do love these kits for turbo cars that allow you to change the boost with the flip of a switch. The engine doesn't begin to gulp fuel until you need it.
You said it!The local Hispanic tuner kids (which abide in abundance in my "hood") know ALL the tricks. I still have a hard time comprehending engines under 100 cid pumping out over 400 hp... But they do! And STILL last for 300K miles!The new Honda Acord Type R is bigger and heavier than my old one, and is powered by a miniscule 2.0 liter 4-cylinder... With its manual tranny, it turns the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds at 100-mph! Big car, tiny engine, FAST speeds!
And a liter is only 60 cid... I'm STILL amazed! And THESE are FACTORY cars. The tuner kids get much more from them with their live-fast, die-young motor-mods. Funny thing is though, those motors usually do NOT die young, but go on and on through numerous drivers who buy or steal them and they get passed around for years!
I used to think it would be great to re-live the old-school days, but no more. Now, you can have a quiet, smooth, dependable daily-driver that will give 23-mpg and get you to 150+ in 13-14 seconds. Whew! Talk about "having your cake and eating it too...". Modern cars AND bikes are so far ahead of the iron of my youth that there's NO comparison... Great vehicles, and great fun too!  Way to go, Detroit, Tokyo, etc.!!!This IS the subject matter the thread IS about... Sorry someone had to hijack it and try to once again make it into a personal trashing.
Ride safe, and enjoy the ride!Leo PS: Minutes ago, I just saw the NEW Tesla "roadster" on CBS news... apparently, this electric marvel will now be THE fastest production car (faster than the new "vette, Bugatti, etc.) with advertised NOW get THIS: zero-to-sixty in 1.3 seconds... YES, one-point-three-seconds! And a top end of 250-mph! And it doesn't even HAVE "displacement"... Can you say "Energizer Bunny on steroids?" Oh, YEAH!!!
The days of the piston engine MAY just be numbered...  |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 17, 2017 21:18:24 GMT -5
Remember when the Honda 750 four only made 40 hp? A lot of VWs only made 40 hp. Sure do... And those old 750 4 cylinder bikes were still plenty fast... I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the incredible amount of horsepower-per-cubic-inch modern engines put out... After all, a liter is only about 60 cubic-inches. 1.4 liter Honda cars miniscule 85cid motors regularly put out 400+ hp in the hands of tuner kids... THAT is over 4.4 hp per cid... Even my Accord V6 3.0 liter (about 120 cid) puts out 256 hp PLUS plenty of torque... That's 2.1 hp per inch... And as kids, we thought we were making "killer hp" at 1 hp per cid, with V8's that were "built" and finicky, and gave 5mpg gas mileage...I have to grudgingly admit it... there actually IS a "replacement for displacement"... I guess it's "technology"... LOL! Good stuff... Those high-power Hondas are hand grenades with the pins pulled, on par with a dragster engine...also note, they generally have no factory parts beyond highly-modified block and head, and cost a fortune. At WOT, they have a service life measured in minutes-think: <5% duty cycle. In contrast: a 5.3 Chevy truck engine will happily make 60+ dyno pulls, spinning to 7000RPM and making over 1000HP for most of them on stock internals. The engine-a 100,000-miler pulled from a junked van, with a big rust spot in one cylinder-made 1,200HP with a pair of turbochargers, using stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons, and even stock 100,000+ mile rings. The only thing done to the bottom end was opening up the top ring gaps. They used ported stock heads, a high-flow intake (the truck intake is a torque design, done by 5000RPM) with extreme-duty head gaskets, and a Comp blower cam-they replaced the lifters because they were clogged with crud-if not, they'd have been reused. Rockers and pushrods were stock. They were TRYING to make the engine fail...Hot Rod wanted to know the limit of the stock bottom end. AT 26psi and 1,203HP, they found a weak point. The (stock) ignition would not fire the cylinders with more than 26psi of boost. Then they realized something: it wasn't a 5.3 litre. They had made 1200HP from a 4.8 litre engine! That is 4HP/ci, on a $500 junkyard engine. Detune it to 1000HP, and you have daily-driver reliability. Yes, the LS motors are THAT good. www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/ |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 17, 2017 21:33:57 GMT -5
Jarlaxle,
I agree with you on those mega-modded drag Hondas. But the ones found around here on the street usually still contain some (not many) factory parts. They don't put out the near 1,000 hp of the all-out drag-cars, but still have 400 hp plus, and can run a quarter in 11 seconds or less, and the idiots who race from city to city get way over 150-mph speeds on their freeway romps. Often on tires I wouldn't drive on to Wally World for groceries. These kids have no performance education save that learned by trial and error and off the Internet, but they are making little motors do INCREDIBLE things... And the cars still last for years, and hundreds of thousands of miles with minor refurbishing. Now, if only they'd put license plates on them... LOL!  Yes, those Chevy truck motors can make marvelous power. I believe Steve Morris uses them in some of his builds with great success!
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Post by wheelbender6 on Nov 19, 2017 10:11:53 GMT -5
Even NASCAR Cup cars are fuel injected now. It is simple electronic throttle body injection, rather than multiport injection.
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Post by cyborg55 on Nov 19, 2017 10:26:07 GMT -5
Even NASCAR Cup cars are fuel injected now. It is simple electronic throttle body injection, rather than multiport injection. More control over the engine,,,and much better mpg,,,I remember the huge carb vs injection debate when cars started the switchover ,,,now that debate is dead,,,injection is king and rightly so,,,I run carbs on my bikes now but my next one ( bmw r1150gs) will be and is injected,,,injection has single handedly transformed the car scene |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 19, 2017 23:27:55 GMT -5
Even NASCAR Cup cars are fuel injected now. It is simple electronic throttle body injection, rather than multiport injection. More control over the engine,,,and much better mpg,,,I remember the huge carb vs injection debate when cars started the switchover ,,,now that debate is dead,,,injection is king and rightly so,,,I run carbs on my bikes now but my next one ( bmw r1150gs) will be and is injected,,,injection has single handedly transformed the car scene
Fuel injection is definitely a game-changer!I was fortunate to have grown up in the fifties, and saw all the effort made by individuals, speed-equipment firms and even Chevrolet to devise a reliable fuel-injection setup that would work on a daily driver... The success using strictly mechanical designs just never did work out well. Even back then, LONG before computers and electronics were available to "mortals"... Experts mostly agreed that fuel-injection would not be REALLY practical or efficient unless and until it could be electronically controlled. As technology progressed, it became obvious that such exotic technology COULD work, and work well, providing great power AND gas mileage... BUT... As the heads of automakers lamented "It would make a Chevy or Ford cost at least $15,000... and NOBODY would EVER pay that, or could even afford it."
Well, everything doubled, tripled and quadrupled in price. Jobs went away. Wages went down and we entered the generation where a guy or gal making $20K per year suddenly could buy a $20K Chevy, a $250K house and spend $100K on "recreational stuff"... All on that $14K take-home paycheck... AMAZING!   The IRS (and me too) would love to figure out how THAT neat little trick is pulled off. Oh, yeah... Well, of course we know how THAT happens. You just "do what ya' gotta do". That's what the under 50 crowd tells me... Well, my Wife and I don't, and our families and friends don't either, so we drive cheap, old stuff... Even THAT stuff is usually fuel-injected... Whee! Spending ten times one's paycheck is not likely to change, SOOO.... All this marvelous new electronic technology is being enjoyed by a huge number of today's folks. It's a fast-paced, technological world out there... Enjoy it while you can! Leo in Texas |
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