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Post by lostforawhile on Oct 12, 2017 0:53:32 GMT -5
Yiben Scout YB50-QT3 Ok I have done everything to get this bike running again, cleaned the carb, changed the CDI out, changed the coil out, checked the valves, changed the gas, I have compression, fuel, and spark with a plug outside of the cylinder, but the engine won't fire even once, I have exhausted every explanation i could think of, the only thing left is a weak charge coil on the stator, that is letting the CDI fire the coil, but at a lower voltage. The CDI can only step up the voltage depending on what it's given. I've been having issues where the bike would run great, then suddenly run worth a crap, it would miss, backfire, etc. My plug had been looking good, but when I pulled it this time, it was fouled, probably by a misfire. I replaced the CDI with a factory high quality one, which is the only CDI that will work on this bike, I just replaced the coil with a Suzuki coil and wire, which is very close to the factory one, but much better quality, it fires fine. I've cleaned the carb, and installed a new jet, which I was going to tune, but it never started again, it should be set well enough to at least run, or start. it's like the ignition system took a crap, the only thing left is the stator , I'm getting about 30 volts to the CDI while cranking,which seems low, but will fire a plug . The fact that a grounded plug will fire, takes the kill switch out of the equation, a bad cdi out, a bad coil out, there may not be enough voltage to fire under compression , I did notice that the charge coil voltage dropped from 79 while cranking open circuit, to 30 with the cdi connected, some voltage drop is normal but that's a lot Read more: 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/20129/weak-stator#ixzz4vGogUzdn
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Post by chewbaca on Oct 12, 2017 16:24:49 GMT -5
New battery and new starter motor Not saying it's the solution But it's something you have not tried yet
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Post by lostforawhile on Oct 12, 2017 21:02:07 GMT -5
battery is nearly new, the starter is spinning at normal speed, before it quit i had to start kick starting it, sometimes this happens with a failing charge coil, kick starting it turns the engine over faster producing a higher initial voltage. It's an AC cdi so it should start regardless of the battery anyway.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Oct 12, 2017 23:10:44 GMT -5
Maybe check for some corrosion at the wire connectors coming off the stator. I had some corrosion on the bullet connectors coming off the stator once that caused my spark to look yellow/orange and it wouldn't start. I wouldn't say there was a ton of corrosion to cause that problem either. I wound up just replacing the connectors and it started again, and the spark looked blue afterward.
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Post by lostforawhile on Oct 13, 2017 8:05:30 GMT -5
I not only replaced the connections, i moved the entire CDI over to the frame, near where the Stator wires come out, as I was suspect of the crappy wiring to it. I cut off a pigtail from under the battery tray, soldered and heat shrunk the wires to it, then the trigger and CDI power wires are high quality aircraft spade connectors, this shortens the wires from the stator to the CDI considerably, I suspected the coil as well, so I'm running a Yamaha cdi type coil, which is much better then factory. The cdi should have no issue with it as most single plug transformer type coils are pretty much the same. I know you can run most automotive coil on plugs with these too. I have spark outside of the cylinder and the CDI input voltage from the stator is low. I drilled and tapped the frame, and installed grounds for the CDI box, and for the coil, it grounds to the frame, but i added an extra ground from the bolt I have yet to see a good blue spark, even at night, but it's hard to tell because on a lot of AC fired ignitions you don't get the blue spark like on a DC powered CDI. I had been having issues with popping and back firing before this happened, and the plug I recently installed, now looks black like a misfire, It's not a rich issue as I hadn't changed anything in the jetting at that point, and the previous plug looked ok. It was acting like an ignition issue , I installed a new OEM cdi box also,
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Post by lee47512 on Oct 14, 2017 1:48:52 GMT -5
Change the stator anytime my scooters acted like that the stator was the cause.
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Post by jonasgone on Nov 2, 2017 23:57:48 GMT -5
I had this problem the other day.. took stator and everything off.. cleaned everything up.. put it back together and it worked fine.. ?! Also bought new stator and coil for no reason! Hah
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 3, 2017 8:43:26 GMT -5
it was a failing charge coil, then the new stator the charge coil is good, but no ac volts out, just got another one finally after 5 tries, from Amazon lets hope this one works, one bad one, 3 lost or misdirected in shipping, and now this one, it looks to be of higher quaity, I'll be converting to an 11 pole setup next month anyway
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Post by jonasgone on Nov 8, 2017 19:21:21 GMT -5
What are the perks of 11 pole? And where do u live? Lol Amazon failing you
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 8, 2017 22:28:33 GMT -5
the 11 pole stators are three phase, they are just much more efficient at charging, and you have more current available, that's why most motorcycles etc are three phase.
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