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Post by geh3333 on Feb 15, 2016 20:11:18 GMT -5
If you look at the gear "starter clutch gear " , the back side slides into the starter clutch . those sprags make contact with the part that slides into the starter clutch and grabs ahold of the gear when the started spins the gear forward. That's why we need a pic of the gear from the side , so we can see if the sprags were slipping. There would be a groove in that part of the gear. I wish I could find mine so I can show you .
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 15, 2016 20:08:08 GMT -5
That piece presses against the sprag, it must have a spring of some sort behind it. There are one behind each sprag.
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 14, 2016 20:28:42 GMT -5
If you could post one more pic of the starter gear , but from the side. The rollers " sprags" grab the outside of the part that sticks out. That's where the slippage would occur. Thanks
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:53:34 GMT -5
From that pic , it looks like the starter teeth are far from the smaller gear .which would mean , somehow the crank is off center , which could create a bined. Which would cause your issue
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:49:28 GMT -5
If you not making good contact with the starter , pull up on the crankshaft and towards the starter, see if you have play .
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:43:32 GMT -5
Can u post a pic of the inside of the side cover you removed ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:41:35 GMT -5
Ok so i know it took awhile (shouldnt have ordered the tool from china ) But here's what it looks like, i don't see anything wrong except that the gasket is ripped, but most likely from me removing it There was alot if little black Specs in the oil, which was brand new and never run  In this pic , how much of the gear is making contact with the starter? Not the starter clutch gear but the other smaller gears at the top left ? |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:31:39 GMT -5
Rcq aludded towards oil pump. I would take it out and inspect it. It should turn freely " oil pump "after you remove it . its a possibility it is broken and not turning freely holding the engine back. I'd be surprised if that's the issue however its something you should check. I'm still not convinced its not the starter gear. I'm sort of stump as to where the big metal pieces are coming from . I would expect bearing noise is the chunks came from the crank bearings. Also is the metal dark or silver ? The starter clutch gear is dark and the metal could be coming from the inner part of the gear that catches the clutch sprags.
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:22:05 GMT -5
Is that big dark thing in the oil metal ? If so that is a big piece and should not be there. If it is metal , can u take it out of the oil , clean it off and take a pic from a few angles ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:21:17 GMT -5
The roller " sprag " on top , can you push it down " out" towards the crank , and for that matter , can you push all of them out towards the crank ? If one is stuck , then that would cause slippage. Also the sprags grab the inside of the gear , can you take a pick of the gear on the other side so we can see if it shows signs of slippage ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 13:57:22 GMT -5
Don't worry about the manual fuel shutoff valve , many use them including myself and I have yet to hear of an issue with them . the prob I'm sure was the debris in the fuel . if you can use an electric fuel pump then a manual shutoff valve should not cause an issue .
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 13:51:40 GMT -5
You say you can see metal fakes in the whole going into the crankcase, did you drain all of the oil ? You did just replace the top end so you will see some metal , but I would not expect any flakes or chunks. You don't have any crank bearing noise from what I can remember. If you didn't drain the oil , I would do so and see what's in it. |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 13:47:24 GMT -5
You say you can see metal fakes in the whole going into the crankcase, did you drain all of the oil ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 13:43:14 GMT -5
Ill put up a video in a few hours Is the starter clutch supposed to spin freely in both directions by hand? (The part with the teeth like looking things in that picture right behind that silver colored nut. Yeah that piece spins both ways" those are the needle bearings" . but the gear " while in" only spins one direction. If you can take a pick of all sides of the gear also . |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 0:02:53 GMT -5
Actually rcq, I believe there is a passage into the main crank case. Look in his picks on page 20. The whole at the bottom left, however the metal peices usually fall to the bottom of the crank case or get caught in the oil screen. The metal preices may be from the starter clutch or even the gear where the slippage occurs. I'm no so sure a bad oil pump will cause the issue he is having , so hopefully it is the starter clutch.
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