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Post by aus on Jun 28, 2017 14:58:50 GMT -5
I'm sure this could be done and for most of you it might be a fairly basic mod but my question is.... can I just swap in a few parts? or... am I opening a can of worms that means changing around brakes, springs, forks, and goshknowswhat?
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Post by aus on Jun 28, 2017 14:51:24 GMT -5
I have 130/60 x 13 stock tires on my Motobravo Super Hornet I'm thinking of getting 16in tires. Basic Google fu does not confirm that my bike can take 16in tires. Just by eyeballing it, I think there's plenty of clearance, at least diameter wise. I'm not positive how fat I could go without major modifications, especially on the rear.
How do I find out for sure, so I can avoid buying and returning parts?
Any thoughts on how this will affect ride comfort and stability? And what about acceleration and top speed? will I need to tweak the transmission to compensate? Or do I have to change the suspension to get a different size wheel?
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Post by aus on Jun 28, 2017 12:00:56 GMT -5
I seem to have found some of the answers.... a 232cc GY6 engine looks to cost twice as much as I paid for the bike, and about the same as a slightly used 250cc bike. So there's that. Unless I can find it used somewhere.... any recommendations?
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Post by aus on Jun 28, 2017 11:14:53 GMT -5
Hey so this is a noob question but what can I realistically expect from different classes of scooters?
Most seem to think that 150cc should be practical for traffic going up to about 50mph. But some seem to think a well tuned 150cc should cruise comfortably close to 70mph.
That's the benchmark I'm going for - comfortably taking it on the highway, which means I need to be able to stay above 65mph up some moderate hills. I'm not that concerned with acceleration - I would expect to accelerate at the same rate as a typical car, which seems easy for any scooter.
I don't understand the discrepancy, but for me, the difference between comfortably handling traffic up to 50ish vs 70ish is critical. It means I can take it on the highway routinely, or not - and around here it's impractical to avoid highways. Is the discrepancy because 'realistic' and 'comfortable' 50ish = technically hitting 70ish on a downhill? Or totally different standards of how much you tune and maintain your machine?
Do I have to buy a 250cc? Can I get the big bore kit and convert my 150cc to somewhere between 180 and 232cc instead? Or do I just need to learn how to properly tune it, get the ideal sliders for the transmission, CDI, and so forth?
By the way, I weigh about 190lbs. So maybe it's partly my fat butt slowing me down and the people claiming 70mph cruising speeds from a tuned 150cc are skinny kids?
I'll probably eventually go to a 250cc anyway, as well as a proper motorcycle with a manual transmission... and eventually I'm sure I'll get fed up with Chinese made. But I'll probably always keep one bike with a CVT just because it's fun. I'd just like to know whether to spend money on the 250cc sooner, vs hanging on to the 150cc for 1-3 years.
If it's possible to get my bike practical for highways, I'm curious what the side effects are if I add a lot more displacement. The engineers who designed it had a 150cc engine in mind.... what risks am I taking if I change bore and stroke and transmission, so there's possibly >150% of the originally intended displacement and altered gear ratio? I guess I'm worried it would catastrophically fail because I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that on a cheap Chinese frame/suspension/exhaust or something.
I'm actually not sure what size tires I've got. But just by eyballing it, it looks like my bike would easily accomodate at least 3in larger diameter. The clearance appears to be there, everywhere. Which if I understand basic physics correctly, is a lot like a big change to the gear ratios in the transmission? Same torque at the drive chain being applied to a larger wheel = higher top speed. Possible decrease in acceleration, but, that would depend on the workings of the CVT, which I don't understand well enough... it should pretty much automatically compensate to a large degree, right? So.... I could maybe just put bigger wheels and maybe change the roller/slider weights?
Oh and one more thing: From what I understand, 2stroke engines are a lot less reliable/higher maintenance, generally speaking. Or is that incorrect? Because if there's a street legal 2stroke engine I could swap in, without sacrificing reliability, that'd be of interest. As long as it's not a lot more expensive.
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Post by aus on Jun 28, 2017 10:22:35 GMT -5
Thanks a lot guys and I will start small. Probably won't actually buy a project bike til next year but I'll let y'all know how it goes. For now I'm going to see how much power I can wring out of my 150cc. If I can tune it til I'm reasonably comfortable taking it on the highway that will affect my choice for the next bike.
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Post by aus on Jun 14, 2017 16:48:07 GMT -5
Fair enough .... Keep it cheap. That answers several questions actually. Thanks.
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Post by aus on Jun 14, 2017 16:16:25 GMT -5
Thanks Bob.... I looked into it.... I'm thinking I'll restrain my urge to mess with this one too much (I have yet to name her) and focus my tinkering urges into a build along totally different lines. Probably will end up selling it, and I guess it will be harder to sell if I personalize it too radically.
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Post by aus on Jun 14, 2017 15:05:21 GMT -5
I'm an extreme noob. I just got a 150cc and I'm loving it.
I am taking to riding pretty naturally I think. I'm also mechanically inclined and enjoying wrenching on it a little. I'm okay at working on small engines and cars... I have zero experience welding or fabricating, however, I'm definitely interested in learning at some point, and willing to do so as part of building my dream bike.
So, my dream bike: I absolutely love the look of the Sachs MadAss bike. I'd like to build my dream around its unique frame... I'll call it a sideways "Y", you really have to google some pics of this bike. The fuel tank is an integral part of the frame, by the way.
I also love the ease of operating my bike with its CVT..
I'd really like to cruise comfortably in highway traffic - apparently, this means I want a 250cc. The consensus seems to be, you can tune a lighter bike but it's really just best to start off with this size engine.
Unfortunately, the Madass comes in 49cc and 150cc (although a lot of people have up-engined.) And only the moped comes with CVT option.
I like the minimalism of the Madass - I do want a few comforts that aren't stock: fuel gage, tach, probably a more comfy seat for two and some storage racks. Performance twin exhaust pipes and a good suspension. Those are pretty common mods for MadAss owners.
What's the legality of building a custom bike in the USA? if I get a 250cc engine off the internet, a CVT, and either a Sachs MadAss frame or fabricate my own (mainly to have a larger fuel tank) how would I go about getting a title? Are there safety regulations I have to worry about? I'm not concerned with selling this, however I can foresee letting friends take it around the block.
How difficult is it to figure out a project like this? And how expensive? I'd be willing to put .... oh, say, 500 hours, and $3000 into this (parts and title) and be extremely happy to have a street legal bike .... but if it would take more than 3x that, I'd consider it probably not a good deal for me at this point.
Also, what do you expect as the lifespan of a custom build? I read an article that quotes the DOT as saying any motorcycle has a lifespan under 20k miles - that makes sense from the DOT perspective of depreciation. But I'd expect that I'd probably learn a lot and build a 2nd or 3rd bike as a refinement of the same concepts. I'd also expect to replace the engine and transmission in the long run. But, is it realistic to think that if I care for it lovingly and store it in a garage, I might be teaching my grandkids to ride a custom built bike 60 years after I build it? or is that completely farfetched?
Also, is it practical to think of doing this with a cheap Chinese engine and transmission, or would it be wiser to go ahead and pay for components made in Japan (or elsewhere - stock MadAss parts are made in Malaysia I believe but assembled in China)?
Also, is a build around a water cooled engine a lot more complex? Should I start off with an air cooled build even though that almost mandates a smaller engine size? I was thinking I'd go with cheap, proven components, but perhaps I should be looking at higher quality racing components? I do think I'd love an unusually lightweight bike in proportion to its power.... however, I weigh about 190lbs and I picked up a stranded friend who probably weighs about 220.... knowing what it is like to carry 400+lbs of passenger on a 150cc, I'm not all that concerned with shaving 20lbs off the curb weight.
One question I'm pondering - maybe I should just get a LOT more general experience before I try something as adventurous as a custom build? I don't know the differences in riding a Ruckus vs a Ninja, how 10" wheels feel compared to 16", and I'm sure there are a LOT of choices between components that maybe I can't make prudently at this point?
Sorry to be so long winded. Just to reiterate for clarity: My dream bike is built around: 250cc engine MadAss style, sideways "Y" frame and minimalist "naked" aesthetic CVT auto transmission The basic question is just how difficult and expensive it'd be to tie those three components into a street legal, reasonably reliable bike?
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Post by aus on Jun 14, 2017 10:14:10 GMT -5
New to this.... Got a 150cc Motobravo Super Hornet. This particular model is I guess a sportbike style body rather than a scooter type frame. I'm working on some mechanical problems / performing on overdue inspection and tune up... taking a look at the insides for the first time.
To me it seems the design is kind of crude. It seems things could easily be a lot simpler to work on this bike if it were laid out slightly differently. Also the body of this bike looks oddly chunky to me. When I pulled off the fiberglass or plastic body pieces (fairings?) it seems to me that there is no reason for the seat to be about 8" wider and 4" higher than the frame. I don't think I'd have a difficult time making a lightweight, sturdy, comfortable saddle that looks as good or better than stock and is a much closer fit to the frame. Also I could do this without drilling any holes that might weaken or let rainwater into the frame. There is nothing much in that space - a few wires which I could easily move to run along the inside of the frame rather than outside, half a dozen brackets which serve no visible purpose other than for the seat. I'm thinking of grinding those off completely, which would make the modification pretty much irreversible. There's a big piece of sturdy plastic which the battery mounts to, which is possibly in the way of the modification I'm thinking of doing, but, I could easily rig up a mount for the battery that would better protect the battery from weather and vibration. Also this chunk of plastic is a pain in the neck for any access to most of the engine. At the very least I'm thinking of just cutting away two thirds of it so I have 4 fewer bolts to unscrew before I can wrench on almost anything.
If I do this, I'm also thinking I'd probably modify more of the body - this whole bike just looks oddly fat, and there seems to be no point to having so much empty space between the external body pieces and the frame. I don't see how the body design reduces wind resistance very much, and these pieces aren't sturdy enough to add structural support, nor are they designed to provide crush zones to absorb impact.
Is this a colossally bad idea? Surely I can't be the first one to want to do this.... is it a common mod? Sorry for my ignorance, I think I've seen bikes that look like they could be customized this way but I have no idea of any terminology for what you'd call this?
I'm thinking this bike would look better if I sprayed a lot of things with matte black paint as I do these tweaks.
Also I'm thinking of moving wires and a couple of small hoses around slightly. There's something I believe is the vapor seal for the fuel system which is just a length of fuel line flopping loosely around which I'm thinking I could secure to the frame with a cable tie. All the vacuum lines and wires are pretty exposed and randomly scattered and I think I could just make things a little bit neater.
Any thoughts from anyone who's done this sort of thing? If you have done something similar on any make model, but especially if it was a 250cc or smaller off brand, I'd love to see your before and after pics.
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Post by aus on Jun 14, 2017 9:32:10 GMT -5
Ok thanks. I've been running 10% ethanol as well as low octane actually. So I'll make sure to get ethanol free.
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Post by aus on Jun 13, 2017 9:14:58 GMT -5
So I've started another thread about the problems on my new 150cc. The consensus is it's a carburetor issue. It seemed worthy of a separate thread: I just realized I was supposed to be running +octane fuel. I've been running 83 I think.... whatever the cheap stuff is at most stations. Dumb mistake, I know. Is that probably why it's stalling/not starting, or is this no big deal, tweak the carburetor like mentioned in the other thread, and put the right fuel in for the future? Should I siphon the tank, and + octane will fix my issues? Should I put in some kind of additive or cleaner or something to alleviate any damage I've done?
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Post by aus on Jun 13, 2017 8:25:42 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the input everyone.
Can we maybe make a sticky thread for all the things you should do to a new scooter???
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Post by aus on Jun 10, 2017 9:50:21 GMT -5
I'm in Overland Park and I just got my first bike, a 150cc Motobravo Super Hornet. I don't actually know if it's properly called a scooter - it has scooter controls, ie simply the hand brakes and twist grip throttle with a CVT, however it has a bike type body. Anyway, I'm loving it and would be happy to meet fellow riders in the area. Especially if the rides aren't super challenging since I'm also a noob.
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Post by aus on Jun 9, 2017 11:55:28 GMT -5
OK so sorry for double posting up there. Here's a maybe smarter question: I just came across a site called MonsterGY6.com and they have kits to tweak a 150cc... a $200 kit includes parts that I honestly don't fully understand, but it looks like a coil, clutch, CDI.... How much will this affect performance? And what is a can of worms I probably shouldn't open?
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Post by aus on Jun 9, 2017 11:33:57 GMT -5
I'm really just guessing what's wrong at this point. I'm the proud owner of a Motobravo Super Hornet 150cc with 422 miles on it. On 4 occasions it has stalled out, I thought it was my error. All 4 times, I was at or near full throttle for several moments, when I felt the engine change. (sorry, can't give detailed observations - this happened in traffic so I was focused on staying safe) It seemed to be sort of in neutral - I think a couple times I did release the throttle then rev back up, and the engine revved but the bike continued to decelerate. This is an automatic transmission. Not completely sure about this though - I was coasting to a stop and focused on getting out of traffic without getting hit. Anyway the bike just decided on its own to slowly (maybe 6-10 seconds) go from full throttle down to idle. Then it stalled out. I was able to get it started pretty easily. The first time it just started right up like normal. I let it idle a moment and everything seemed perfect, so I let it warm up further as I checked traffic, and continued on my way. By the way that was at maybe 250 miles on the odometer the first time it happened. Also that first time, I had gone from full speed to abruptly letting the throttle go, to let an aggressive driver merge in front of me. I thought I'd made it stall by changing too abruptly or something. Since then each time it seems to get worse. It's harder to start back up. The third and fourth time I had to give it some gas while cranking it to get it to start. The fourth time it got started, then died, then after a few more attempts, it stayed running just fine. So I've thought this was all my error, I wasn't handling it right. Then yesterday was a 5th incident that's probably related: I was going at maybe 80- % throttle and it died again. I looked at the tachymeter and it slowly went down to idle, stayed there for a few seconds, sputtered and died. I tried to get it started and couldn't. Then I noticed that gas was dribbling out of something that looks like some kind of pressure relief port. It's near something I think is the vapor seal. I'm guessing I might have dribbled like half a cup/250ml of fuel total. When I was trying to start it while giving it gas, it leaked fastest. While waiting for a friend to come pick me up, I guessed maybe I flooded the engine. So after ten minutes without doing anything with the bike, I tried starting it like normal (no throttle.) It started fine, then quit after 3-5 seconds. I couldn't get it to start a second time. After I got it to my friend's house, I did the same thing - cranked it and it started right up then died. Any ideas where to start? I've just begun googling, and it seems that others have had possibly related issues with a new bike of the same model. Maybe it's some kind of carburetor adjustment, vacuum seal, or something? it's hard to tell, it seems people post a problem, fix it, then don't come back to the thread and say how it ended and what the solution was. So I'll definitely come back and say. Meanwhile, any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
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