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Post by lain on Nov 22, 2015 23:36:17 GMT -5
Try using rubber cement on the plug, let it dry a little before putting it in so the rubber cement is tacky. If all else fails get a new rim and tire since it seems the slime will eventually eat your rim anyways.
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Post by lain on Nov 22, 2015 22:49:12 GMT -5
Also put gum out in fuel tank it was almost empty and put about 4 oz of gumout in it then filled with . Big problem or no? Whats the side affects? Gumout what? Gumout makes anything you can spray or pour, so calling it by the brand doesn't help us figure out what you're doing. Gotta tell us what the product is not the brand. 4 ounces of anything is way too much in a scooter, that's liike what an entire bottle? Seriously man, avoid additives, what gave you the idea to fill yoru tank with whatever anyways and not gas??? Even if the slime is int he way it shouldn't stop the plug from working. All you do is you ream the hole a few times (it may help to have the hole ontop of the tire or wherever gets you the best angle but not facing down) then you take the plug and very quickly jam it in and pull the tool out fast so the plug doesnt come back out and then just cut the portion of the plug that sticks out or sand it down.
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 17:25:24 GMT -5
Just a comment lain u know ur stuff. U should start ur own shop. My tao tao has a black cdi stock i mean. Is there one i can buy to make my scoot go faster? Yes the pink wire is gone lol but amazeingly my scoot has picked up speed since ive put in it. Could seafoam make it a couple more mph faster? Or what cdi? Give me the link please sir No seafoam has no effect on performance unless your ride was already suffering. Avoid using additives except seafoam (and even that only in small amounts), these tiny engines weren't built like cars and a lot of common additives are for cars not tiny 50cc engines. You should always have been using octane. The reason is different octane levels of gas explode at different points, and using the wrong octane will put your timing off and cause you to run bad or eventually not at all. Putting seafoam into your system after running it with low octane would be a good idea to get rid of anything leftover and liquefy anything you may have gotten clogged. I run seafoam in my tank every fill up or two, just a shot glass for your first few fillups then a half of a glass after will keep it clean and running happy. CDI's don't improve performance a lot, but in combination with other mods they do add up and eventually you can get a 50cc up to 45 top speed and 30-40 cruising speed. The difference in the way CDI's work is that a performance CDI will ignite the gas/air int he combustion chamber at a slightly different time than regular and if tuned properly can give you a boost in acceleration and overall make yoru engine run smoothly in comparison to stock. Stock CDI's are great though, nothing wrong witht hem at all, the max you can hope for from a performance CDI is about 3mph top if you're running performance parts. Although the best CDI for performance is the casoli brand, it is much bigger and is gold, and is very hard to find a comfortable space to put it haha, but it lasts forever and puts up with so much you can count on it nomatter what. I've gone through an engine already and the casoli CDI outlasted the engine, now that's something to say about thier quality. Scrappy sells the casoli CDI I think? Can't find it on his site so here's one from ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/CDI-Scooter-AC-Casoli-GY6-Chinese-Performance-/390691527435?hash=item5af7079b0b:g:MusAAOxyrxZR3bci&vxp=mtr
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 15:39:32 GMT -5
The orange CDI's are the worst. The longest I had one last was a month, and they often die within a ride or two in freezing temps. They are supposedly simplified and more compact versions, but I feel they cut corners to achieve that and produced trash. Get a gold Casoli CDI, they last forever and have an advancing angle instead of fixed advanced angle like the orange and blue ones have.
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 12:16:40 GMT -5
florida You may have gotten a cheap variator set. I have bought them online and half the time the plastic clips as you call them become damaged or disintegrate, and that of course throws EVERYTHING off. It first causes your weights to wobble and wear down while the plate behind it wobbles as well because it can't grab the post on the variator to keep it at one set angle. Then of course the weights wearing down will cause the entire variator to wobble on the boss and throws everything off, and eventually this will cause the belt to get jammed, slip, and work in ways it shouldn't which cause excessive wear and destroy the belt. Kevlar and aramid belts put up to the high torque of the engine as well as occasional abuse from messed up cheap parts and will last a very very long time. I've never seen a kevlar belt snap in even the worst conditions, the best kevlar belt maker I've found so far is MMG. Gates has the best aramid, but I've seen aramid belts snap where kevlar belts don't even get worn down... So obviously kevlar is better. Kevlar is what special ops uses as body armor, if they can put their life in the hands of kevlar then it just seems like the best choice. Then there's rubber... rubber (regular belts) heat up and tear and wear just from being used, even more so in your bbk setup. Rubber also stretches and effectively lowers the amount of power transferred from the engine to the rear wheel...
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 12:07:35 GMT -5
If I was a shop I could swap stuff around all day and come up with some conclusion but alas i'm just a guy at home that people bring things to from time to time...That is a good idea though if I can find another scooter. I'll call the guy that owns the last one I worked on and see if I can borrow his. I don't know if I would be happy or upset with 3 bad cdi units at this point. Where have you been getting the CDI's you've had up to this point?
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Post by lain on Nov 21, 2015 12:06:06 GMT -5
We sell that size belt, but I don't see any 'model number' on the belt other than the size The model number would be on the manufacturer's cardboard sleeve, which is what most people think makes it genuine, but it's cardboard so anyone could just copy it anyways. The model number is something usually like PLxxxx (x's being numbers), but I have yet to see the model number on any of the belts, just the sleeves.
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 16:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 14:52:03 GMT -5
I agree, sounds like a bad cdi but 3 bad cdi's in a row? Possible I know but goodness. I've got the tool to remove the wires from the plug so that wasn't a problem. No one touched it from the time I called him to come get it to the time he tried to start it so no one messed with any wiring and it started right up before I left it for the night. Right now I'm going out to run a dedicated ground to the plug for the cdi, go straight from stator to trigger wire and power wire to cdi with my own wires, bypassing the harness and leave the kill wire out. If it does the same thing I might throw a stator in it because I'm at a total loss. I just can't get past that CDI is the common denominator Remove ALL components except what you need to run (CDI, Solenoid, coil, battery, engine) to simplify it further. It may be something weird but who knows. Try to pull all the plastics off and view ever portion of the wire harness. If you have some extra terminals and some 16 and 10 gauge wiring rewire the entire running portion (look up in the text) with new wires and start it up by using a screwdriver to cross the terminals on the solenoid, and kill it by hooking the killswitch back up and switching it off, or unplug the black/yellow wire from the coil or unplug the CDI. The symptoms point to the CDI, but maybe the wiring to the CDI is bad or wrong? Did you cut the wrong green wire? When you cut the wire for the limiter it is right next to the wire for the ground. The bottom left wire in the harness when in the CDI is the limiter, the middle bottom one is the ground. If you ground the limiter wire instead it will also create these symptoms.
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 14:47:21 GMT -5
And Again, Read Please 50cc Thru 150cc Are All OE 6MM. Other Than That I provide Accurate Measurements With Pictures. The Dude axed for what size do I need. Answer is 6mm, No need to Disassemble More and take to Home Labyrinth. Inside Jaws Measuring ID of course. If you follow the other thread he made he found the 6mm threads are not working for him so somehow I think his may be smaller. Check out the other thread itistheride.boards.net/thread/8912/annoying-vibration-on-scootEither way like I said all he has to do is bring it to Lowe's and ask for help and they will set him up with a nice new matching nut or acceptable to use.
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 13:21:26 GMT -5
No change with all that unplugged. Still getting around 40 ac volts on the black/red wire into the cdi with the plug unplugged and it drops to a volt or 2 ac with the plug plugged in. Yesterday it was around 50vac and .7vac. I don't know why the voltages would change but the problem still remains. side question - shouldn't removing the black/white wire from the cdi plug serve the same purpose of removing the switches and safety items from the system? I'm at a loss. I don't know how a stator could fail like that but that is about all that is left......?? I wish I had another harness or another scooter around. What is sad is that a couple months ago I had this scooter's twin as a parts bike for another guy, finished his project and he sold that one for parts. Yes removing the wire from the CDI would do the same thing, but if you don't have the extractor tool you will likely damage the terminal and plastic connector. The other way to go would be to cut the wire and put it back together later but then down the road it could loosen up and fall apart and leave you scratching your head and pushing it home. Much better to just disconnect them the proper way and not deal with it down the line. It really sounds like you have a bad CDI if the only thing making it drop is plugging in the CDI and removing it instantly restores the power issue... Did someone mess with your CDI connector and put the wires in the wrong places? Are you maybe grounding the wrong wire? It sounds like whenever your CDI is connected the power is grounded.
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 9:42:44 GMT -5
I got 6 mm nut and it will twist on twice and get stuck.. Havnt found the long bolt i need but ive taken my bolt off my muffler to auto zone and all the had were the nuts... I need the complete same nut as the one on my scooter.... Lowes no auto zone no... I live in nc and dont have time or credit card info to get one online. Where are they? I am sure you can get the correct nut at Lowe's if they don't have it in stock ask to have it shipped tot he store at no extra cost to you. You bring the second nut you have that's attatched to your exhaust to the guy who works in the nuts and bolts section and tell him you need another one of those or very close to it. They will help you out all you gotta do is pay for it. If it doesn't fit you can return it to lowe's fr a full refund even if you tried to use it.
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Post by lain on Nov 20, 2015 9:35:55 GMT -5
Like I said, I do it at lowe's. I had brought a stud with me and screwed it in to the plaque mounted on the shelf. I was there shopping for a friend because he had the same exact issue, and I did not have any spares so that's how I found out. I do not have any stock 50cc heads, all of my heads are big bore kit heads, possibly that is why all of mine measure 8mm? But then why did the new nut I got for him fit his stock head? Makes me think either they don't sell the "non upgraded" studs and bolts on the scooters around here, or maybe we're talking about different types? I am talking about 50cc studs and bolts.
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Post by lain on Nov 19, 2015 23:20:31 GMT -5
My original engine had over 40k miles before I put it to rest because of bearings that needed to be replaced. To think those bearings put up with 40k+ with a BBK in the last 10k. I bet with proper maintenance the stock engines could last for a very very long time.
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Post by lain on Nov 19, 2015 20:12:10 GMT -5
I have plenty of heads, no 6mm bolt fits them... Unless I am misunderstanding you you are saying 6mm threads work with the exhaust threads, but the stud themselves have 8m threads when checking them at lowes. They do not fit past the first turn on the 6mm slot and even then it strips part of the stud getting it in there... Either way the best thing for brandon667 to do is go back to lowe's, bring the extra nut he has, fit them to the measurement plaque thing, and buy new nuts and a couple crusher rings like that come stock. Maybe his are different, what works for % of people may not work for 100% of people... Its 6MM, just took a second with the Carpenters tool to measure Were and How are you measuring the nut or stud?
Thats a OE Acorn Nut in 6mm. I've only mentioned it about a dozen times now in this and the other thread he made for this issue. Lowe's, it's a hardware store. It looks like this and is mounted in numerous places in the nuts and bolts isles. How you use it is you take your nut or bolt and screw it in to the various studs and holes to find the right size. The size that is right is the one that smoothly screws in all the way down, a wrong size will be hard to turn or not turn at all or will strip the threads. Your carpenters tool is facing the wrong way... It seems in the picture you just stuck the nut ontop of is and set the gap between the tool on the bottom where you do the measuring to 6mm and called it a day...
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