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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 25, 2017 17:24:21 GMT -5
From experience the CN (Real) and CH(real) share some parts. Idk if trans gears are one of these. Sfor the CF(Clone) afaik the gears will not interchange. I am wondering how much it would cost to have a rim turned and machined to fit the Helix four lug hub. The entire gear set May swap out, but most likely one piece from either wouldn't mix with the others. the only difference between the elite final drive and the final drive on my chinese scoot is: the elite used bushings for the countershaft bearings and my chinese scoot used roller bearings the clutch shaft, countershaft, and axle appear to be identical. even the final drive cover gasket is the same. keep in mind i'm talking about the elite, not the helix. the final drive on the helix could be very different from the elite. the shop manual for the elite was a very good resource for my ride. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 25, 2017 8:18:47 GMT -5
There are some guys arond thst have successfully installed and ran a 12 inch tire but idk what they did about a rim. i would imagine they scrounged an axle from a chinese scoot and installed it in the helix. my 244 sported a 13 inch rim, but that left very little rubber between it and the ground. i don't know whether the engine is the same as the elite, but the elite final drive is an almost identical clone to my chinese final drive. the axle bearings are the same, and this would imply the axles are interchangable between the chinese model and the japanese model. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 23, 2017 20:44:15 GMT -5
Front end wobble aside, the handling of a scooter will always suffer in comparison to a bike. A bike is better laid out with no compromise to final drive. A quick check over at Modern Vespa will reveal that front end wobble was a major problem for the large framed scooters from the GT 200 through the GTS 300. It has been quelled lately on new scooters but shows that even Piaggio with over 70 years of scooter building under their belt has issues with the weight bias problem regardless of tire type or inflation. And those puppies are not cheap either. wow. you mean i was riding a virtual death trap at 70 MPH ? ? i don't know man, but i've run over some really rough road, some of it almost throwing me off the bike. i was all the time in that front brake, and braking hard my scooter gave no hint of instability unless i took both hands off the bars. i often wondered why it would behave that way. i bet the steering head bearings in my ride had a lot to do with it though. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 22, 2017 15:48:51 GMT -5
If one has Not Experienced Bar Slap on a Scooter I'de would venture to guess one has Never Taken there Hands off the Bars and Sat up or Better Lean Back. its the weight bias. I have Michelins on my Scoot and love them. does this mean i can add about 25-30 pounds to my forks and it will make the bike (step through scooter) more stable? the steering has always been "tight" on my ride, and maybe that's why, to offset wobble. i never considered tread pattern when i purchased tires, just the size. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 17, 2017 19:10:39 GMT -5
i would tend to agree with shrimpsauce, but i would definitely inform law enforcement.
remember, this is still your bike, and if the thief crashes it into anything, they (the cops) will come looking for YOU.
i'm not a lawyer either.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 16, 2017 21:24:17 GMT -5
Try this as I have get on your scoot, take your hands off the bars, then watch that front wheel Wobble, even more fun put a passenger on the back take hands off bars and lean back, it will scar the snit out of your passenger. ok, i'll admit that my 250 did indeed "wobble" with no hands, but my wheels were never balanced (front nor rear). this "wobble" isn't even noticeable with both hands on the bars at any speed, and i usually ran flat out where ever i went. the CVT on my ride didn't give me that much problems. i replaced the OEM rollers because they had broken into small pieces. the broken rollers also helped to ruin the variator, so i had to replace it too. i replaced the belt because the clearance between the belt and the CVT was too tight. the clutch gave no problems at all, even after 10,000 miles the clutch shoes showed very little sign of wear (hardly none) and could have easily lasted 50,000 miles, if not more. the only real problem with my CVT was one of ventilation. my CVT was all metal, and i couldn't keep my hand on it for a second. some well placed drilled holes, and a rerouting of the ventilation solved that problem. greasing the clutch was not easy but it is doable without disassembly (you have to remove the unit from the bike). all of the above was operable when my ride choked. the items i replaced most often were the front brake pads and the rear tire. no, i can't complain about the mechanical aspects of my scooter. the electrics was the headache |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 16, 2017 14:56:21 GMT -5
A scooter, excepting certain ones with separate engine/drive configuration, will always be at a disadvantage in terms of handling. The engine in a scooter is directly under the rider which gives it something like a 70/30 weight distribution. A motorcycle has it further forward putting weight distribution at close to 50/50. Also most scooters are belt drive leading to friction loss. Bikes all have solid drive. Scooters have trunks, bikes don't which is what makes a scooter a better grocery getter against a bike with no rear trunk or saddlebags. well, see, how do we know this weight distribution is a disadvantage? maybe this distribution helps prevent front end wobble. the belt thing is another major point about scooters. the "transmission" in these bikes consist basically of 3 parts, variator, belt, and slip clutch the only part that is hard to service is the slip clutch, but it CAN be serviced using shop tools. a redesign of the CVT could probably lead to toothed belts (i have no idea what this redesign would look like though) i stand by my assertions, a 350cc CVT scooter would probably be the most bike anyone would need. and you wouldn't have to worry about getting the wrong gear |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 16, 2017 10:07:02 GMT -5
Yes a scooter has storage and is easier to ride but at any capacity it's at a disadvantage to an equivalent sized bike. i don't think it's any more of a disadvantage than an car automatic over a manual. you hardly ever see a manual shift in a car anymore. one thing seems to be clear though, a manual shift tranny is an advantage when dealing with heavy loads. almost all race cars are manual shift, and i believe all semis are manual shift. but we aren't talking about such heavy loads. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 15, 2017 1:25:07 GMT -5
Cyborg's point of view comes from his motorcyclist side. As the video shows a motorcycle is faster, handles better and is a thrill ride. i could label my 250 a thrill ride. with an extra 50 to 100cc, it would probably be the most i would ever need. i like the idea of having to negotiate twisties without the worry of gearing. i'm actually surprised the chinese 244 and 257 don't sell like hotcakes. my 244 sported a 13 inch rear tire and a 63 inch wheelbase, with a stated curb weight of 350 pounds. the estimated top speed was around 70MPH. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 10, 2017 8:53:51 GMT -5
Speaking of missing the point why in heavens name would the scooter cannon ball ralley dismiss motorcycles?,,, because they are superior in every way that's why,,,my standard dr dualsport would kick a scooters so hard it would wear it like a hat (which has never been challenged by the way) $10,000 bux cash challenge,,, LA to San Fran and back 5 laps of a motocross track ride up to San Fran,,, 5 laps of another motocross track there,,, service ride,,,5 laps again on the return lap ride back to LA and 5 laps of another motocross track ,,, guess who wins,,, think about it,,, I got less than $2 large in my dr,,,, hands down no takers,,,, scooters are fun and all gang but they ain't up to the task it's always been my contention that you usually get what you pay for. if you want 30,000 mile infallibility, then you'll pay for it. scooters (at least the ones i'm familiar with) are pretty simple mechanically the electrics are also pretty simple. all i'm looking for in a scooter is to ride it, and ride it hard, without gears. oh, and for a heads up, it's very likely my chinese 250 gave up the ghost because of my own stupidity, not by any defect in the mechanics. |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 9, 2017 18:19:42 GMT -5
the things i liked about the 244 was the OHC and the ease of adjusting the valves.
ball bearings for crank journals, this thing was designed to be a screamer from the ground up.
with a few mods, this engine could probable hit 80MPH with a 550 pound load.
i might have to get the frame and engine separate.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Apr 7, 2017 19:29:44 GMT -5
are there any current 244cc model scooters being made?
i can find plenty of references to 2008 or so, but i can't find any newer models.
it seems to me that these 250cc scooters would sell pretty good.
is there something keeping america gas crazy?
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 28, 2017 17:12:40 GMT -5
mine came with a LED type speedo/ tach/ clock.
the speedo could be set for MPH or KPH.
those gauges did not weather well, 3 years and they were all but gone.
i opted for some sealed analog gauges, but i had to figure out the mileage multiplier and where the tach wires went.
since they weren't made for my bike, i had to also figure out how to mount them.
granted, some chinese stuff is better than others and your experience will vary.
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No Way
by: dollartwentyfive - Mar 26, 2017 19:20:18 GMT -5
Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 26, 2017 19:20:18 GMT -5
i don't know man, front wheel ABS has no doubt saved a lot of skin, agony, and crying.
especially newbs, but they are the ones that need to be aware of the dangers in the first place.
i hate to break with authority, but front wheel ABS is an almost must have (my opinion, of course)
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No Way
by: dollartwentyfive - Mar 25, 2017 16:41:28 GMT -5
Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 25, 2017 16:41:28 GMT -5
i'm sorry, but i must choose the chinese ALB for my fronmt wheel.
this still gives me a chance to perfect rear wheel dynamics.
the best plac to test chinese ABS would be sand or leaves on the road.
be aware, there's a good chance you'll dump your ride.
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