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Maybe it is/was but it wasn't to me. I just started on this and only understand what I've read here and at other places but some of that material was moved by another and now not available.

Now IMO if you understand all this then maybe you can help him fix his scooter?

JR

Sorry wasn't clear... The brakes lights work... they did before as well.. I tried to start it and it turned over. no issue there as well.

Now you have me confused?

Just to reiterate, with the key swith plugged in it is doing the SAME thing its doing with the jumpers. So im confused how the ignition key switch is bad..

So with the jumpers in the brake lights worked and you could hit the starter and it would turn over.

But here you are saying with the key in.....

PS.. One thing I wanted to ask.. Why is it that with the key out... I can press the STARTER switch (button) and it shuts the power off..

Which is it? You did have the key switch totally unplugged from the system when putting in the jumper wires, correct?

Simply put if you have the key on and hit the start button and it shuts down the scooter then it is bad. It shorted out when you installed the disconnect incorrectly.

Also I forgot to mention by the jumping of the key switch plug we eliminated all the tests that were asked of you at the other forum. By just you telling me that we have brake lights and the scooter starter will engage tells me we have power on the red wire and the black wire along with the black/blue. Again I'll get back shortly. BTW do you have a volt meter and know how to use it?

JR

Sorry on the brake pedal, my bad but I do want you to try the one brake handle also, according to the diagram the pedal and the one brake handle will turn on the brake lights.

Also I requested when you press the brake handle or pedal in this case and I wanted you to just bump the starter button and tell me if the engine will turn over or the starter engages.

Reason I want to know this is because I want to see if the starter solenoid relay is still good. If you press the pedal or brake handle and bump the starter button and you hear the starter engage then we have eliminated one thing in this equation. If it makes no sound at all then we know we have one item that is bad. Remember that the brakes and the starter solenoid run off of the same yellow/red wire and now that I know you have brake lights if you bump the start button I'll know about the relay when you report your findings.

After you do this step do the following:

Again turn off your new main disconnect switch

Leave your jumper that you installed to the red and black wires on the plug that you unplugged from the key switch and yes DO NOT plug the key switch in, leave it unhooked.

Now this may be a little tricky but I want you to put another jumper wire in the same plug that you have the current one in from the red to black.

I want you to run a jumper from the red to the blue/black wire AND leave the red to black hooked up at the same time. It may be a little tight in the red plug but you can do it. Again make sure the wires are not touching anything when you do this.

Again forget about the key switch, leave it unplugged.

Now as soon as you get these jumpers hooked up turn your new main disconnect switch back on and check to see if you have a horn, blinkers, etc.

Please do the starter test before you add the new jumper and record your findings.

I'll wait for your results.

JR

Thanks for the clarification on the key on the disconnect switch and by your previous statements I do believe you have it correctly wired now so with that said here is what I would like to do and this will at least tell me a few things to look for.


Yes I want you to totally unplug the scooter key switch not your new disconnect switch, I want the key switch out of the equation.

Also turn your new disconnect switch to the off position, I do not want any power on while you are jumping the plug.

I know there was confusion on the main cables going to the starter solenoid, I want you to be sure of two things, don't care what color wires they are although the main cables are generally red. Make sure the terminal/post on the solenoid marked "B" goes to the + positive battery post. Make sure the terminal/post marked "M" on the solenoid relay goes to the starter terminal/post. NOT TO GROUND -

As I stated before with the key switch plugged into the other half of the socket take a magic marker and mark the black and red wire on the plug, reason for this? Simple I can't in your picture see the other plug and know that the wires are matched apples for apples as far as the colors, if they are then forget marking them. If the other plug matches up to the key switch plug black to black and red to red then good. Sometimes the Chinese will change colors even on plugs that plug into each other.

Now if the other plug is female then you won't be able to put even a small alligator clip in it, no big deal. Take a short piece of say 14ga or any size copper wire that with each end peeled off a bit will just slide into the female socket and make a good connection, remember this is only temporary and for testing only. Again make sure this jumper goes from the black wire to the red wire. Just make sure your jumper cannot touch anything that would ground it out.

Now after you do this I want you to turn on your new main disconnect switch which will immediately complete the circuit thus giving the scooter power to the system. Remember you have the key switch disconnected, it's out of the picture at this moment, dead not in use.

Now by manually jumping the red to black we are now supplying DC power down the black wire which feeds a lot of stuff on this scooter through fuses also.

Check one thing at a time in this order and make a note if one works properly or doesn't at all.

Brake lights, push both brake handles one at a time and see if the brake light comes on, make note if it does on one brake handle and doesn't on the other.

If the brake light lights up then with the brake handle pressed just bump the start button, don't try to start the scooter, I just want to see if it will turn over. Take note if it will or won't.


Now try the horn.

Next try the turn signals.


Now according to the diagrams this scooter comes in two different setups? One is where you can turn the head/tail lights on with just the key on and with a switch. The other is where the head/tail are on only when the engfine is running. If this is the case then we will wait to see if they are OK when we do start the scooter.

Do these things as I stated and take a note of what you find and get back.

JR

Very simple justguy1. Here is your picture of the plug to your key switch:




Now we know that your scooter is acting stupid with the key in, out etc.

So do not worry about the key switch at all, just act like it is not there. Unplug this plug in your picture. All plugs have two sides male and female.

I'm thinking that the male side of the plug is on the pigtail going to the key switch.

So unplug the key switch at the plug in your picture. Now forget about the key switch.

Before you unplug it make a mark on the plug and label the location of the RED and BLACK wires on both parts of the plug, male and female.

The Chinese are famous for changing colors from one side of the plug to another.

Now after marking the wires, on the plug going toward your engine or dash ( should be the female one) take your temporary jumper wire and jump or tie together the RED and BLACK wires in the plug.

We know your key switch is more than likely bad but what we are doing here is bypassing the key switch to see if we can send DC voltage to functions in your scooter, blinker, horn, etc.

By jumping the RED and BLACK together we should have power to these things.

JR