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Post by wycpihdyn on Apr 4, 2014 16:08:39 GMT -5
only problem i ever seen with teh contra spring the big spring in the back, was that once when i switched to a deep angled kn-kikaku variator, after rolling down a hill, i was still using stock roller weights, my roller weights wasnt rolling back down to put me in 1st. as i got to the bottom of the hill, i was usually switching back to 1st at around 25mph or something. but i was at like 15mph at the bottom of that hill, and it was still in second, and when i revved and revved, it didnt go back down. just puttere dstill, without dropping. when i let off the throttle and let it stop and idle, the cvt shifted back down, then i could pull up the hill. i switchd to a 1000 rpom spring. i wouldnt switch unless its a problem, you dont like your hill pulling. if yoru not in teh powerband, your too early, then lighten the roller weights up. go with a spring for around your kit, id say 1000 even or maybe 1500. do 1000 grabbers and 1000 contra, try the kit with all the different springs in it. like that autotech guy on ebay has. i got that and liked it. you can tune anything you want. its not that bad, should be good for a regular motor
oh. and 1 reaso i say this, is ive never noticed, from changing to, 1000 rpm contra or 1500 that i changed my weights any. im using pretty much what anybody would tell me as weights right now. what someone would say, and went from 1000 rpm spring to 1500. have noticed no difference. dont think it stops it from switching. 500 rpms? so, how much difference in speed is that since it would be a graph then? instead? like, not a whole lot depending on what pseed you switch at. so, how much roller weight would it take? thats teh thing.
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by: wycpihdyn - Apr 2, 2014 21:41:31 GMT -5
Post by wycpihdyn on Apr 2, 2014 21:41:31 GMT -5
oh yea. now i remember. upjet. if you cut the washer out of the exhaust and if you have already or its not got one on it. im really not sure what size for the stock airbox, but if yo8u cut the tab out of the covered hole in your airbox, use or
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by: wycpihdyn - Apr 2, 2014 21:32:59 GMT -5
Post by wycpihdyn on Apr 2, 2014 21:32:59 GMT -5
i left something out, but whatever.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Apr 2, 2014 19:45:47 GMT -5
i heard one person, on a chinese scooter, took his seat cover off, and used a sanding block and carved down a hump. tighten the cover back over. staple it back up.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Apr 2, 2014 1:06:08 GMT -5
usually, some good tires, ive not seen a michelin have this, there will be a dot, in paint, on the tire somewhere. its the heavy spot. and you put that, where the valve stem is.. ? maybe its the light spot. its the spotwhere you put it where teh vavle stem is. maybe someone can say for sure what it is. ive heard, that you put it where the valve stem is, its the lighter part, ? ?? oopposite? the heavy side. the light side.
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by: wycpihdyn - Mar 31, 2014 22:45:11 GMT -5
Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 22:45:11 GMT -5
clean the carb. hehe. and here on this page. www.discounthondaparts.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=2459771&category=Scooters&make=Honda&year=2001&fveh=131297the #6 is the restriction on an elite variator. to check your belt if its worn, measure the width. under 15mm wide and its worn or if its really loose when put together, with a lot of slack. under 15mm is out of service limits. will slow your acceleration. and check your roller weights. i like sliders better but i never used those on stock, so i wouldnt know what to suggest. 8 gram rollers are good for the stock motor. you can dremel, the ring out of the exhaust. take it off and its right, where it connects to the motor. make sure to flush out any metal after you get done. also some lye in the muffler can clean out carbon. find a bucket, just enough, JUSTTT ENOUGH room to fit the large big fat part of the exhaust down into. and also youll need a can of black or whatever grill paint. that stuff that you paint barbecue grills with. make sure to follow the instructions. but, set your exhasut in the bucket, fill up extra room with bricks, add your lye and fill with water. let sit. pick up every hour and let the stuff drain out. itll be like ink. use lye. and some things actually can make it hot, just use lye. find lye. there are other stuff. but the ingredients i dont really remember. clean out, over and over with water like a water hose. after you get done. dont get it on you, it dissolves bodies in graves. hehe. i wouldk know. naaahh. .. be careful wear eye protection, from spalshing. i was around some dumb dog that was licking up spilled water. he lived. stupid dog. it landed on a board though. nothing but wet spot. thats if your mufflers all clogged up. id say dremel that washer, lye dip and clean out repaint all at the same time. 8 gram rollers for your variator, a different back ramp plate, like from scooterdomain.com for the stock variator. get a 139qmb back plate. they work, same as an elites and takes out a default elite restriction. gain you maybe 5-9 mph. or something. i got one. extra, i think. make sur eyou repalce your slider guides also. occasionally. at least with your belt. if they crack or break, theyll take out your variator with it. check your clutch pads. make sur etheres no oil on them, or in your clutch bell. thatll make it spin and not go. like if someone was filling up that back final drive bolt fill thing, and got on on the clutch while they where doing it. if you got the rear cvt cover on, you probably dont have to worry about that. an impact wrench to take the drive and driven pulleys nuts off with. back one, dont wack too hard. and when you install, an elites weird, use a ratched and hold the kick pulley half ramp plate, on the drive side, with your hand, and turn with a ratched the nut, until it hurts. to get that bolt down good. it coujld come off on you. mine did once. but i hadnt even left yet. and another time, had a bbk, and later, when i went to wack it back off, i use a cigarette lighter impact wrench, and one wack, it knocked the nut off. not very tight on ther,e i dont think so. could of easily came off, later. i had just put it on there. too. get it down, then impact it with the impact wrench. you can also, make a tool, to hold the drive side and driven side with. you use the stator and put 2 like round dowel head nuts in it, on a bar thats adjustable to hold the crank steady as you take the variator nut off. and use the dowel head bolts in the clutch bell, to hold it steady to take the driven nut off. check and replace your final drive oil with 10w40 oil. 3 ounces. until it comes out. dont overtigthen that stinking aluminum crap. i rethreaded 3 bolts in that area. no make that 4 but i had 2 final drive covers. pshh i forgot to add, clean thecarb. take all the stuff out. the pilot jet is set, its just a hole, beside the main jet. take the main jet out. and disassemble the whole carb. theres also a tube that pushes out from the main jet hole. get it with a pencil or soemthing, from above, from the throttle slide tube. its brass, dont lose it. push it down. right in the middle. spray carb cleaner, in a hole, and if it comes out one way, clog that with yoru finger, put your finger over it and spray more, see if theres another hole. i had to clean acarb twice once before it wouldnt stop not taking off on me. the pilot kept, reclogging over and over. you sound though, like you got, worn out belt or rollers or oil in your clutch bell. measure the width or if the belt has a bunch of slack. repalce it. and while yoru at all that, ifyour freshening, refreshening, up your cvt, replace your clutch grab and contra springs. try some 1000 rpms springs. they do alright on the stock motor.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 22:11:07 GMT -5
i couldnt even tell before the cvt wasnt running right when i wasnt tuning the carburetor right. i couldnt even tell, that it wasnt tuned right.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 22:06:16 GMT -5
its running better. the 110 main jet, i was just wondering, i guess its cause i went so long without tuning it rihgt. and now im actually tuning it right. the thing that helped me fixed it, is running the cvt setup right.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 22:05:32 GMT -5
premix, plug in pump an oil pump plug. trailtech tto gauge.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 22:00:59 GMT -5
8 ngk. still havent retuned the carb or done another long speed run. got dark befoer i finally got it running about half alright.
take off sucks for me. but if i dont go over 1/4 throtle right now, i have power. and it goes. and i can, get to where im going.
its best to go rich and tune from there. get yoru main jet, i guess plug chopped. also got to have a tuned cvt. heavier weights dont screw nothing over. lighter ones will make it not run right. i know that. heavier, youll just have a hard time getting to where your going. and a cht gauge probably saved my bike, from me blowing it up, 30 or 40 times.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 20:35:33 GMT -5
everytime you shjujld tighten downn by hand as tight asyou can holding the kicker or, the othe rhalf of the pulley, as hard as you can with your hand, tighten down by hand. if your going to use power tools.
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 19:58:30 GMT -5
long story. the story that goes along with this. ... yea, i dont even want to get close to there. so i been going, 1 number at a time. but what i did do, was up that main jet another size. and it sounded, better. .. like get it? sounds more like. a bike it's supposed to sound, like. sounds right.
ok a few things, found out that since i was lean on the main jet. which i was thats why the too hot, but give me some tips to get this running. that main jet, is more like it. still, dont know if going on down the road, that it will over heat maybe, or not. but its 1 size bigger yet again. so maybe this one will do it.
but ok, so i went out today, and done some more tuning. and found, out my needle, i was getting, no throttle response from 1/4 pretty much until it was full throttled. wot. it would just go like, burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooorrrr. another thing, my belts stock and im waiting on a shipment to get to me from china so i can change belts. and i have a little bit of bad running, anyway around 30mph becuase of the belt, and maybe my roller weights. i might have to order a set. but not until i .. switch over my cvt. to use the new belt. waiting on a variator.
so its kind of tricky figuring out. maybe im just now, wrong rollers? but. i been going by, letting it coast down a hill, or start to run good, rollers switch gears, i think a little quicker than sliders, ive got 5gram sliders, 7 gram rollers mixed right now. i had switched from pretty much all the time using 5.5 gram sliders over. since i started jetting better...
maybe a switch but since sliders, take longer to shift. ive got some 5.5grams. reason i started really to switch is i mixed up the 5.5 grams and 5 grams cause my scales where left somewhere else. and i didnt know. and thought wow i need to heavy these things up. thought the 7 gram rollers where doing pretty good too. i liekd the top speed they gave me. and i thoght tune the carb to them. i kept trying. but switching to sliders, might, be 1 step too light. i can try.
so, alright that. and i was messing with the needle settings. ok its a dellorto 21mm carb. and i got a 72cc bbk. pipe for the motor and everything. no airleaks, been leak down tested. so i was running, really rich 1/4 and 3/4. well, when the main jet was finally set in. i had a couple pilot jet problems. like it cant make up its mind. or maybe, its the bbk and the whole deal with that. so, seemed my pilot was finally tuned in. and the main jet was tuned in. but still, wouldnt run.
well, running down the road, i can loOOK and look at the cvt, but thats telling me nothing. much really. ? what temps? am i supposed to see as i first start it and it burrrrrrrrrroohh down th eroad. i reached down and grabbed the manifold, and it was cold, and wet. so, iwwas rich. knew that. but theres 2 parts of the needle, the 1/4 and the 3/4. didnt konw where i was coming from, but now with the PJ and MJ tuned. i just held it at 1/4 and put my hand over the air filter, or would grab and pull up on the choke as i was going down the road. or touch the manifold. you gotta hold that posiition like 10 seconds or more at least, its like tuning the PJ and mixture screw. turn the mixture screwk then you gotta let it settle for 10 seconds to get a right reading. so it was wet. tried going both ways, see where i was at. went extreme one way. pretty sure it was wet at that point. i tried a couple clicks the other way. still, same acting, just a borrrrrrrrrroh gonig down the road. so, i was like, main jet was chnaged. maybe im on the wrong taper of needles.
see the dellorto needle jetting chart, and youll see 1/4 throttle L_angles, change on the tapers, the 1.0mm tapers and .6mm tapers have the same types of L_angle needles. then your 1.4mm and 1.8mm have the same types of L_angles too. maybe some oddball in there, but i can't remember.
so, everyone i hear, goes, use the w7. tried it. not the best at taking off. i played with my pilot jet mixture screw setting. made, i think the jump, a little better. and the cvt isnt trying to switch gears, anyway at least, until aro9und 30-35 depends on how them heavy rollers want to act. belts also at service limit. soo. well, i guess tomorrow, when i can, maybe ill just drop the needle once more. no weird stuff is happenning. i went, to the w7 needle. i think the 3rd click down. i just thought sometimes stuff was cutting out as i ripped it back. maybe it was just, boom too much gas. but i dont know. guess so. guess ill find out. like as i ripped it back, all of a sudden, it would, boom just die the engine would have no more sputtering, but then itd kick back on.
weird stuff. if i knew like any of the stuff, like, rich cuts out just as lean. but i dont know. and temps or .. um how much the needle should be close to the extremes of tuning with the jettings the way it was.. whatever. but since i have been tuning right now, its not been long so, these problems are just poppoing up. way over rich on my needle, but it was going better the more and more i set the taper more. never had much response from my bike before. and then my main jets off. just 1 step and this.
maybe i need to tune the atomizers. ehhh
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Post by wycpihdyn on Mar 31, 2014 0:21:37 GMT -5
? help. ive been running the same airfilter setup on my same setup bbk. but i been tweaking with the cvt rollers and stuff. well. ive never seen temps before reach over 373 or something ever, on this setup. now i have had lighter roller weights, before, and also a biggggg downhill. real steep. but, never seen over 373 temps on my CHT gauge. well, to finally get it running good, i started tuning up the trans, and changin gmy rollers. whats got me confused,is this sudden increase in temps. everytime i rode before, ive never seen, anywhere, over 373 temps.
here's my different cvt setups, i was running 5.5 gram pulleys, then i switched to 7 gram pulleys as i was tuning better. the lighters, give you less top speed, higher acceleratin. and the heavier's give you, more top speed, less acceleration. well with none of this have i been seeing my temps reach over 373 on my CHT ever before. with this setup. now i went with 7 grams and 5 grams mixed, rollers and sliders. and i been tuning better. so. my temps werent, really, over 373. .. it was like, i was fine, just crusing along, not flooring it, or down some hill, i dont go far, live next to a fast road, and only am just trying to tune. not much space. you know. and one direction is flat out down hill. other is flat, but slight incline near the end.
so i went out, and well, ok. i had trouble getting my bike going. seemed to be? flooding, i thohgt, at full htrottle. so i downjetted. this might be backwards waht i was thinking. anyway. i had been trying to rejet, tune better for a while. i went down down down on my taper, 3/4 throttle jetting. wayy down. from my leanest needle, to now the richest taper needle i got. the whole while, pilot jets stayed around this same number, and the main jet, has always ran at the same number. .. so i thoght, i was running rich. couldnt really get my bike going. after tuning up the cvt, as i was tuning the carburetor, and my bike. so i lowered my main jet, one size.
seemed to get me up to speed better. .. as i was saying .. maybe i got this backwards, but anyway. just trying ot talk here. well, so i was crusing along, flat long straightaway. with the one smaller main jet, i had dropped to. 373 i seen on the temp gauage. its a big long straight away, maybe a mile or more. didnt reach over it. everywhere else i went too, i didnt try going down that hill, just riding around, no tmeps reached over 373. anywhere. i had my bike warmed up. and i took off down that straight stretch, for sort of kind of like, a plug chop. 373 was good. then the hill, slightly inclined. a little bit more of a strain on my bike, then, boom, temps start to jump up, 380, 385, 390 394, i let off the throttle to cool it down. arg. am i too lean on teh main jet? i then went back, and richened the main jet back to where i was, before, one setep richer. i had ran that for a LONG time. and never got temps really over 373 anywhere, ever.
i went back out. ran a little better, little bit more peppier. warmed up my bike. took off down that straight stretch, for sort of a plug, chop. 373 temps, by the end of the flat section of the straight away. alright, good. then the road sort of inclined a little. 376, 379, 382, 385, i let off the throttle, it hit 389 before it cooled down. arrgggggggg.
??/ ok now so im like, .
alright i did go up one size on my main jet. but now im just blurbling everywhere. sounds alright. runnign a phbg dellorto carb.
any help? thanks.
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