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Post by justguy1 on Jul 2, 2013 14:08:56 GMT -5
Well I guess my concern is I want to make sure you know what your talking about. You have been confusing me with some of your post.
You tell me that my green/white is the HORN, but yet according to MY SCOOTER as well as the HELIX diagram BOTH show the green/white is a 5 amp. and is the fuel/starter/charge...
So yeah that's a bit confusing... IM NOT here for a pissing contest between you and Rich.. thought I made that a little clear in some of my beginning post.. I came here for help from some knowledgeable guys.. Whethe it's you ( who Alley told me is very good in electrics) or anyone else for that matter. IF not then I just take it somewhere.
I work long hours during the week and don't have time to be taking the scooter all apart and putting it back together if I didn't need to. Which was my point.. it wasn't about avoiding it.. it was making sure that it was necessary to do. If not would do it another way....
I think at this point.. I will go back to scooter doc try from there if not take it over to the local cf moto dealer and have them look at it..
You can close this thread out...
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Post by justguy1 on Jul 1, 2013 17:45:45 GMT -5
 This is the wiring platform we should be using.. its a helix.. my cf moto is a clone of this helix . only thing I see different is the fuse box.. they have an additional fuse for the clock and acc.. not sure why I don't since I have a clock too.. so that's odd. But im gonna check the way the fuses are lined here.. But this should be what we are following.. |
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Post by justguy1 on Jul 1, 2013 10:34:08 GMT -5
Ok if it is a fused or melted wire, its not in the cluster of wires up front.. I have checked all those wires.. nothing looks burned or touching another wire. I will remove the battery tonight and see if if I can see where the ground is and if it came lose. If not then I guess its taking it all apart or bringing it to the local scooter dealer.. one or the other.. But either way I hope this gets fixed.. just glad were making progress...
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Post by justguy1 on Jul 1, 2013 8:04:49 GMT -5
Didn't get a chance to read everything.... Will at work.... But one quick thing that I did read.. My tail lights and head lights are on TWO different switches.. .ONE in on the LEFT handle bar, and the other on the right....
Left handle bar cluster.... Headlights, (hi/low), horn, blinkers
Right Handle bar cluster.... Brake Cylinder, Tail lights, starter button, On/Off kill switch..
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 22:46:48 GMT -5
I follow what you wrote.. The fuses were put in one at a time by them selves..
The wire across from the RED wire is BLUE/ and either red or brown.. im color blind can't tell.
Your saying that it may be mislabeled but how was it working before this all happened?? Im confused now.. what else is new right??
Just so you know.. this is how its labeled.
HEAD ----- 10 Amps
Turn, Horn, Tail, Headlights-- 10 amps
Fuel/starter/Charge ----5 amps
Fan-- 5 amps...
What I don't get is I have tail lights and brake lights...
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 21:25:43 GMT -5
Ok.. so here are my findings... My neighbors think im crazy for being in the garage this late... Ok here we go..
All fuses out... Got nothing.. Nothing lights up with the tester...no red light no power anything..
Put 20amp back in and the red wire lights up on both the fuse box and the ignition plug (unplugged)
Key on with 20amp in.. on the fuse box.. black across from blue/?? lights up as does the RED one on the fuse box.. FYI.. on the ignition Red, Black and Blue/Blk all lit up..
With Gr/white fuse in... Got NOTHING.... same stuff above lit up.. No horn, no electrical power at all.. Now keep in mind on the fuse box that one is labeled Fuel/Charge/Starter... and is 5amps...
fuse in Brown/Black. Blinkers come on with a crazy noise.. however they are OPPOSITE... left blinker works right, right blinker works left.... Horn does no sound.. just makes the blinker and dash blink.. The dash lights however do light up. small head light works no main headlights..
put fuse in blue/?? (with black in corner) nothing.. no power at all electrical.. 5 amp fuse labeled as FAN...
Put 10amp fuse in red and blue/brown (i think) labeled Head ... nothing.. no electrical.. not even the headlights... However with the tester.. THE red and blue/brown light up.. so power is going to the fuse..
put all 4 fuses in.. with key on.. shows power with tester.. they all light up.. still same thing nothing working.. same reaction as we first started...
lastly, shut key off.. headlight comes on.. and odometer.. tested ignition.. red, black, blu/blk all test light comes on.. as does the red blue/br light up too.. when you hit the starter button and the power goes off.. ONLY the Red on the ignition lights and so does the two on the fuse. red , blue/brw..
Well there is everything....... Now where do we go..
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 19:51:50 GMT -5
Ok.. I will do those test.. the blue wire I believe is blue/black.. Im color blind.. it might be blue/brown.... But you saying about putting the fuses in... The first one with the green/white is a 5 amp that is for the fuel/starter/charger... The other one the blue/black ?? is for the FAN... Are you sure these are the ones you want me to put in???
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 17:16:19 GMT -5
 look at these wires are they supposed to match each plug how they go in for example if black n red is always to the left should black and red be the same way on the fuse box |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 17:00:02 GMT -5
I tried to edit this picture but can't on my tablet. This is my fuse box. The two wires on the left are the hot wires that the tester lights up when the key is off and no power. When I turn the key on then shut it off and pull it out you all know the power stays on till I hit the start button. So after the key is out the red stays hot. Those two wires are hot. The black wire on the ignition plug lights the tester dim as does the two wires 2nd to the left.  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 15:32:32 GMT -5
Another question for you is the black blue wire supposed to have power when the key is off. When I did a voltage test with the key off the red wire had 12 volts the black wire had zero with a negative the green had zero with a negative the black white wire type 0 with a negative but the blue black wire had 00.1 this was at the ignition plug. also question for you at the fuse box is the headlight power on without the key because the fuse lit up with the tester.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 12:18:06 GMT -5
12 pages between this site and another one. And to answer your question NO... The scooter runs just some of the electrical stuff is out. And at this point the writing is on the wall. Yeah might cost me a lot of money but this has cost me two months of frustration and aggravation.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 30, 2013 9:32:39 GMT -5
One is the radio.. the other is the ignition plug..
I will try to trace the wires.. guess it means taking more things off.. hope this works..
Do you know what wire is the ground wire for the blinkers, horn etc...
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 20:05:38 GMT -5
Not sure if you read my other reply... that wire isn't burnt.. must of been the way the picture was taken..( dont have a flash with my tablet).
But did find something out tonight... I went to check the fuses and swapped them out just in case.. But nothing changed.... Now here is the kicker.... I take the 10 amp fuse that says head out.. The blinkers kinda work.. the lights go on.. but real faint noise.. the dash comes on.. NO HORN still.. If I press the start button. depending on what blinker is on... when you press the start button. the OPPOSITE blinker lights up.. ie left blinker on.. push start right blinker lights up.. If I put the Head one back in and take the other 10 amp out that is for the blinkers, horn, tail lights and high beam.. then the Head light goes on... but still nothing else works... So not sure where we go from here...
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 29, 2013 18:52:00 GMT -5
[replyingto=jr]JR[/replyingto]OK almost gave up. I can't get my side panel off so this picture will have to do.  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 21:35:08 GMT -5
[replyingto=jr]JR[/replyingto]hey im glad you posted that picture of the solenoid.....
I can tell you this.. I took my tester... and alligator clipped the NEGATIVE terminal.... and touched ALL 4 of those wires... The G/W, R/Y, R and R/W.. The only two that lit up where the R and the R/W the other two did not light up...
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