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Post by w650 on Jan 12, 2017 8:33:17 GMT -5
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Post by spandi on Jan 12, 2017 10:25:34 GMT -5
One reason the market for the smaller bikes is so big is you have got to get your "L" plates first, and most ride a 125cc machine until they get their full motorcycle license.(and ride the larger cc bikes) Oh yeah, don't forget Sinnis (They're pretty big in the UK too.)
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Post by w650 on Jan 12, 2017 13:54:33 GMT -5
Nice looking bikes and scooters. www.sinnismotorcycles.com/This only shows the commitment to a future. We have also spent 4 years researching the best in Electronic Fuel Injection systems, ABS and Combined braking systems to enable us in 2017 to bring you the very best in safe and emission friendly Euro 4 machines.
No wonder the British market is rocking.
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Post by cyborg55 on Feb 26, 2017 11:31:58 GMT -5
Plus the fact they tax regulate everything,,,,crazy registration fees inspection fees ,,,They tax the piss out of everything over there,,,,$5.50+ per gallon for regular,,stupid high insurance rates too,,,so anything that's super high mileage is going to be a hit,,,I wouldn't take a house there for free,,,
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Post by rockynv on Feb 27, 2017 5:11:14 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen here if we had a tiered licensing system like they do in other parts of the world. Be fewer kids purchasing 1+ liter sport bikes and killing themselves riding off the showroom floor.
Saw one kid who had to be no more than 17 on a Ducatti Monster the other day and you could tell he was not an experienced rider yet there he was riding the Ducatti on the Interstate helmet straps flying, jacket unzipped, hiphugger jeans riding low and showing the moon plus wearing low Keds canvas sneakers and of coarse no socks.
Good candidate for the 9O or 125cc entry level bike.
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Post by w650 on Mar 2, 2017 17:18:17 GMT -5
I'm with you on that. Nobody should be riding some 185 mph bike right after getting a license or permit. Even a 900 pound Harley will confound a new rider.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 3, 2017 5:24:13 GMT -5
I once road for a while behind a new rider on a Volusia which I believe is an 850 and when he tried on a double 4 lane with median to use the left turn ramp to do a turn around he couldn't handle the larger bike and ended up stopped across the roadway blocking two lanes of traffic with 55 mph traffic which he cut off headed his way. I pulled over and almost ran over to push him off the roadway. He really needed a tiered license so he would have spent more time on a 150 before getting a big boys bike. He got it moving again and pulled over just in time to miss being hit.
Really though what need do we have on an American roadway for a 180 Mph capable bike or car? Highest posted speed limit in the country is eighty five Mph and that is out on a short rural section of interstate way out West of NoWhere in Texas.
Even tire speed ratings are a bit of a joke since they are set by the fact that in tests they lasted for 10 minutes at the rated speed but failed at 6 Mph faster.
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Post by w650 on Mar 3, 2017 8:14:36 GMT -5
The biggest problem with tiered licenses is that even 250cc bikes are capable of speeds up to ninety. The 250 Ninja was radar clocked at ninety-five by Cycle World. The 300 Ninja does about 105 actual. Fast enough to get a new rider in trouble. My lowly Rebel will do slightly over 80 flat out.
In Great Britain learner licenses are limited to 125cc bikes and scooters. That should let new riders learn without getting into too much trouble but except for the Kymco K-Pipe, Grom and Kawasaki Z-125 there isn't much else.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 3, 2017 13:49:05 GMT -5
The biggest problem with tiered licenses is that even 250cc bikes are capable of speeds up to ninety. The 250 Ninja was radar clocked at ninety-five by Cycle World. The 300 Ninja does about 105 actual. Fast enough to get a new rider in trouble. My lowly Rebel will do slightly over 80 flat out. In Great Britain learner licenses are limited to 125cc bikes and scooters. That should let new riders learn without getting into too much trouble but except for the Kymco K-Pipe, Grom and Kawasaki Z-125 there isn't much else. My 250cc Aprilia Sport City has seen well past ninety five mph on flat roads per GPS though some will insist that you need a 600cc or better to see those speeds. You get the valves set correctly and put an aerodynamic sport fairing on and a well built 250cc Scooter will be far beyond most new riders capabilities. An Aprilia RS50 Sport Bike even at just 50cc can be dangerous too as they can be deceptively fast and capable of well past 80 mph. |
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Post by w650 on Mar 4, 2017 18:59:54 GMT -5
Imagine then the havoc you could cause on a ported and piped 250 Ninja? Can you say 110 or more mph? Plus those bikes are available by the boat load, tough as heck and rock solid. Tiered licensing would look pretty silly with those on tap.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 5, 2017 19:51:42 GMT -5
The Aprilia version of the Suzuki 250 was capable of well over 150 mph.
That's why the tier is on CC's and HP. They even have mobile police dynamometer checks for riders deristricting or modifying their bikes to be over their license tier in some parts of Europe.
Imagine how people would howl here if they got pinched at a mobile police Dyno and had their bike picked up on the spot by the claw and dropped into a dumpster.
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Post by cyborg55 on Mar 5, 2017 20:56:56 GMT -5
The Aprilia version of the Suzuki 250 was capable of well over 150 mph. That's why the tier is on CC's and HP. They even have mobile police dynamometer checks for riders deristricting or modifying their bikes to be over their license tier in some parts of Europe. Imagine how people would howl here if they got pinched at a mobile police Dyno and had their bike picked up on the spot by the claw and dropped into a dumpster. Of course they do and it will get more and more restrictive and expensive till it's not worth trying to maintain a personal vehicle period,,,that's the plan, |
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Post by rockynv on Mar 6, 2017 5:22:27 GMT -5
They have a 20 year plan in much of Europe to eliminate internal combustion vehicles of any sort with Denmark I believe leading the pack with the most aggressive plans. China has just announced a "Blue Sky" initiative and will be getting more strict about air quality on all fronts too. India has already banned any new diesel registrations in their major cities too so its going to get interesting from that front. In some European cities if what your riding is not at least Euro 4 rated you have to leave it outside the city limits and rent a bicycle or take public transportation. Expect that to jump to Euro 5 shortly.
This is different though from Police check points looking for people riding bikes that are beyond their license tier.
Around here you see many bikes that have been modded to 80 or 100cc on Craigs List where the seller claims that they still have it titled as a 50cc so you won't need a license to ride it however if they started mobile dyno checks or that you pulled into an inspection station to verify engine output and displacement on a regular basis that would put a stop to that. The cheaters will certainly be howling about that but they really put it on themselves by cheating.
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Post by spandi on Mar 8, 2017 20:07:17 GMT -5
The Aprilia version of the Suzuki 250 was capable of well over 150 mph. That's why the tier is on CC's and HP. They even have mobile police dynamometer checks for riders deristricting or modifying their bikes to be over their license tier in some parts of Europe. Imagine how people would howl here if they got pinched at a mobile police Dyno and had their bike picked up on the spot by the claw and dropped into a dumpster. Of course they do and it will get more and more restrictive and expensive till it's not worth trying to maintain a personal vehicle period,,,that's the plan, it's going to end up a semi private computer controlled system. Buckminster Fuller designed a personal monorail decades ago. So maybe soon the paving over of huge swaths of land will come to an end, and those six and eight lane monstrosities returned to woodland. |
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