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Post by cyborg55 on Jan 9, 2017 14:31:50 GMT -5
The numbers appear to be 1.4 to 1.6 million per year dying with the danger being for entire areas to become unlivable so more than a few thousand. They waited way too long to change their ways and are paying the price to catch up however they are now making the effort and the problem now has their full attention. A tough daily situation to be living with. Yes it almost happened here yet you still see naysayers wanting to delete systems designed to protect the air from their bikes patting themselves on the back for their ingenuity. Have you ever modified a bike, mechanically? If so, you're a hypocrite. I've had more than one engine come out cleaner than stock,, that's verified by full spectrum gas analysis,, so mods within reason doesn't mean more pollution ,,,, also ( no shot at anyone ok?),,, the long term affects of those high powered batteries,,,results aren't in yet about long term exposure,,, from manufacturing, use ( lots of free radical ions around those things),,, and disposal/recycling,,, and charging,,, lots of nuclear ,,, think Chernobyl and Fukushima ,,, so they aren't as clean/green as they say,,, oil is natural and biodegradable,,,, ever wonder why there's no piles of black rubber dust on the sides of roads?theres a bacteria that eats it,, and I'll bet a good sum of cash that where the Exxon valdese ran aground looks like it did before the wreck( ( yes there was a cleanup),, crude bubbles out of the ground here in socal,, right next to trees that are just as green as where it doesn't ,,, |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jan 9, 2017 18:57:26 GMT -5
On many bikes...if you actually want them to run properly, the first thing you have to do is make them not EPA-compliant by retuning the carb.
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Post by rockynv on Jan 11, 2017 13:02:55 GMT -5
It is understood that unrefined oil does not present as large an environmental impact as does ultra refined petrolium products. Tire treads are composites of natural tree rubber and petroleum based rubber and vinyl mixed with carbon black and other organic compounds which enhances their biodegradability. Plastic bottles and bags have organics such as corn starch added to them to allow them to more quickly break down too. Not quite the same as allowing raw fuel or partially burnt fuel to vent to atmosphere as soot and acids.
The electric I chose has a battery life of 8 years/100,000 miles as a traction battery at which point they are not recycled but put into use as backups for communications towers and to provide surge capacity to the power grid during peak hours so additional power stations don't have to be activated. This makes it more difficult for individuals to get them for use in home made electric vehicles and solar electric projects. The batteries are still at 60% to 70% capacity when they are deemed unsuitable for use as traction batteries unless they have been damaged. Yes you do have to be careful when choosing.
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Post by ricardoguitars on Jan 11, 2017 14:39:42 GMT -5
Planned obsolescence is the biggest polluter of them all, a fully electric vehicle pollutes more than a 30+ years old carbureted SUV, electric cars are intended to last as long as the warranty expires, then you are left with a vehicle too expensive to fix and/or with no available spare parts, if you junk it, half the thing is not recyclable. And if you go out and buy a new one, you are contributing to the pollution caused by the manufacturing facilities, as well as the environmental damages caused by the extraction of raw materials to make it, and the HUGE pollution caused by freight ships to transport all the materials and the final products to their destination. Instead you could keep your old carbureted SUV and make it run on alcohol or natural gas, a lot more environmentally friendly.
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Post by rockynv on Jan 12, 2017 5:17:58 GMT -5
Planned obsolescence is the biggest polluter of them all, a fully electric vehicle pollutes more than a 30+ years old carbureted SUV, electric cars are intended to last as long as the warranty expires, then you are left with a vehicle too expensive to fix and/or with no available spare parts, if you junk it, half the thing is not recyclable. And if you go out and buy a new one, you are contributing to the pollution caused by the manufacturing facilities, as well as the environmental damages caused by the extraction of raw materials to make it, and the HUGE pollution caused by freight ships to transport all the materials and the final products to their destination. Instead you could keep your old carbureted SUV and make it run on alcohol or natural gas, a lot more environmentally friendly. Don't know where you are getting this since most of an electric vehicle is made of recyclable materials including the upholstery and the batteries as we already have covered are not trashed but put into service on the power grid in a controlled environment that promotes very long life. The traction batteries unlike automotive 12 volt batteries are modular made up of individual cells so that as individual cells fail you pull the cluster that the failed cell is in and replace the one or two cells that are problematic. One local Hybrid dealer does a lot of work renovating the traction batteries in the original Prius models so that many of those sold 20 years ago in 1997 are still functioning as intended on the mostly original batteries with just a few cells replaced so they are not the massive issue that sensationalists have falsely presented them to be. Many come back to useful life simply by pulling the traction battery and putting them on a grid or balancing charger to even all the cells off. In other parts of the world the Hybrid Electric Car (especially the Prius) is one of the most popular taxi cabs out there due to their longevity and economy. In some parts of Europe Electric Cars are charged by the roofs of their carports where they are in rental service and when not in use are part of the power grid providing electric power when the sun is not shining. German and Danish engineers are working on a number of systems to help leverage existing electric cars on the road putting them on systems to take advantage of the 24/30/60 kWh stored in their batteries to prevent brownouts and reduce the number of generators powering the electrical grid. It is getting very interesting for sure. |
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Post by spandi on Jan 12, 2017 5:36:15 GMT -5
That's the trouble with all those evironmentally "friendly" vehicles, you have to plug them into polluting coal fired power plants to charge them. (And eventually despose of the batteries)
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Post by ricardoguitars on Jan 12, 2017 7:15:58 GMT -5
Planned obsolescence is the biggest polluter of them all, a fully electric vehicle pollutes more than a 30+ years old carbureted SUV, electric cars are intended to last as long as the warranty expires, then you are left with a vehicle too expensive to fix and/or with no available spare parts, if you junk it, half the thing is not recyclable. And if you go out and buy a new one, you are contributing to the pollution caused by the manufacturing facilities, as well as the environmental damages caused by the extraction of raw materials to make it, and the HUGE pollution caused by freight ships to transport all the materials and the final products to their destination. Instead you could keep your old carbureted SUV and make it run on alcohol or natural gas, a lot more environmentally friendly. Don't know where you are getting this since most of an electric vehicle is made of recyclable materials including the upholstery and the batteries as we already have covered are not trashed but put into service on the power grid in a controlled environment that promotes very long life. The traction batteries unlike automotive 12 volt batteries are modular made up of individual cells so that as individual cells fail you pull the cluster that the failed cell is in and replace the one or two cells that are problematic. One local Hybrid dealer does a lot of work renovating the traction batteries in the original Prius models so that many of those sold 20 years ago in 1997 are still functioning as intended on the mostly original batteries with just a few cells replaced so they are not the massive issue that sensationalists have falsely presented them to be. Many come back to useful life simply by pulling the traction battery and putting them on a grid or balancing charger to even all the cells off. In other parts of the world the Hybrid Electric Car (especially the Prius) is one of the most popular taxi cabs out there due to their longevity and economy. In some parts of Europe Electric Cars are charged by the roofs of their carports where they are in rental service and when not in use are part of the power grid providing electric power when the sun is not shining. German and Danish engineers are working on a number of systems to help leverage existing electric cars on the road putting them on systems to take advantage of the 24/30/60 kWh stored in their batteries to prevent brownouts and reduce the number of generators powering the electrical grid. It is getting very interesting for sure. Just by transporting the thing and/or the materials needed to build it pollutes more than your good ol' SUV. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 12, 2017 12:55:13 GMT -5
Don't know where you are getting this since most of an electric vehicle is made of recyclable materials including the upholstery and the batteries as we already have covered are not trashed but put into service on the power grid in a controlled environment that promotes very long life. The traction batteries unlike automotive 12 volt batteries are modular made up of individual cells so that as individual cells fail you pull the cluster that the failed cell is in and replace the one or two cells that are problematic. One local Hybrid dealer does a lot of work renovating the traction batteries in the original Prius models so that many of those sold 20 years ago in 1997 are still functioning as intended on the mostly original batteries with just a few cells replaced so they are not the massive issue that sensationalists have falsely presented them to be. Many come back to useful life simply by pulling the traction battery and putting them on a grid or balancing charger to even all the cells off. In other parts of the world the Hybrid Electric Car (especially the Prius) is one of the most popular taxi cabs out there due to their longevity and economy. In some parts of Europe Electric Cars are charged by the roofs of their carports where they are in rental service and when not in use are part of the power grid providing electric power when the sun is not shining. German and Danish engineers are working on a number of systems to help leverage existing electric cars on the road putting them on systems to take advantage of the 24/30/60 kWh stored in their batteries to prevent brownouts and reduce the number of generators powering the electrical grid. It is getting very interesting for sure. Just by transporting the thing and/or the materials needed to build it pollutes more than your good ol' SUV. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.htmlHowever if you count in the pollution from the refineries along with the super tankers that transport the crude to the refineries that provide the fuels to run that old SUV the old SUV is still a worse polluter. We could put some containers on the super ships with parts to convert the old SUV's to a cleaner fuel however that would also create another dirty trip by the super ship. The electric car I drive was built in Tennesee with parts mostly made in this country and the super ship pollution stops with those few non-US parts however the SUV just continues the cycle of super tanker trips to fuel it every day it stays in service burning gasoline along with creating pollution on its own. You have to look at the full cycle of use on both. |
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