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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 9, 2016 10:15:51 GMT -5
Hey everyone! Kreider here. I'm having trouble with my scooter. My scooter has been getting harder and harder to start, and has been acting like it wants to die when I stop (sometimes it would die, but not it I gave it gas).
Well, this morning, I went out to start it, and it wouldn't start up with the electric starter. I tried to use the Kickstarter, and it turned over a couple times, but now it's jammed ans it won't move at all.
I'm super lost on what to do. Any suggestions?
-kreider
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Post by hillbillybob on Aug 9, 2016 10:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Aug 9, 2016 11:43:00 GMT -5
If its a 2t non oil filed cvt cover pull it off the gears between the starter and kick are probably pitted get a trianglar file and file the teeth make sure you re lube the start/kick pinion where the starter comes in at the block should look like a cut short pill bottle with teeth if you press it with your fingers it's kinda spring loaded.
Had mine get stuck on my 07 ruckas tank engine
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Aug 9, 2016 11:44:15 GMT -5
In addition if you here it squeeze when you where kicking it over that's why it locked up don't force kick it cause you'll destroy it easy.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 9, 2016 12:31:33 GMT -5
If its a 2t non oil filed cvt cover pull it off the gears between the starter and kick are probably pitted get a trianglar file and file the teeth make sure you re lube the start/kick pinion where the starter comes in at the block should look like a cut short pill bottle with teeth if you press it with your fingers it's kinda spring loaded. Had mine get stuck on my 07 ruckas tank engine I didn't understand what that meant, I could follow that sentence. Would you mind using some punctuation so I can follow what you mean? I'm confused with what you said.
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Post by lain on Aug 9, 2016 16:51:46 GMT -5
From the vague description of the symptoms your scoot is experiencing, I would say you need a valve adjustment, the exhaust valve is too tight, most likely the intake a little off too.
Your kickstarter problem is a separate isolated problem, they can only go so bad, but if left unchecked could ruin your entire transmission in a worst case scenario. If it is stuck and will no longer turn it is most likely got damaged teeth, hopefully that's all, gears can be easily replaced and do not require taking the entire transmission apart (but it helps a ton to do so).
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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 9, 2016 17:08:18 GMT -5
Some guy I know said it might be seized, because it's been harder and harder to start, it wants to die whole idling, and because the Kickstarter is now jammed, and all of that has happened over the last few days. Is there any truth in that? If so, what can I do?
I will be doing my best to adjust the valves, check and replace the oil, and look at the gear box today.
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Post by lain on Aug 9, 2016 17:25:48 GMT -5
Gear box? No, just the kickstarter gears which are located behind the CVT case.
No, it isn't the engine that is seized, the transmission is seized/jammed. The problems you described point to tight valves, make sure to adjust them to the correct gaps, do not wing it do not guess you could make things horribly worse, use a gap feeler set and set to 0.003 inch to 0.005 inch max.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 9, 2016 19:53:07 GMT -5
Okay, so I tore apart the top end and looked at the valves. The exhaust valve wouldn't move a bit. I unscrewed the valve adjustment nut and threaded cylinder thing, and as I tried to manually move the cam with a wrench (the same way you would adjust it to TDC for a value adjustment), I got to a point where it wouldn't turn any farther. Same thing if I reversed it, and tried to go counter clockwise.
I called up my dad and he thinks that the exhaust valve stem decided to break off or bend. Not sure what to think: what are your ideas? Literally anything can help.
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Post by ghcoe on Aug 9, 2016 20:26:14 GMT -5
Take the spark plug out and try and turn the motor at the crank and not at the cam.
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Post by lain on Aug 9, 2016 21:52:08 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, like talking to a wall...
As I said before your transmission (CVT) is seized... Now explain to me please how you think the engine is going to turn when the output shaft is jammed??? You have to rectify this problem before attempting to work on ANYTHING else. Ignore the valves until you can turn the engine fully, the valves never go out far enough to seize the engine or cause damage to the piston. I recently had an issue with a valve sticking out all the way and it did not make contact with the piston at any time even though it was more than fully extended, bent, and jammed with a foreign object...
Simply remove the CVT cover and remove the kickstarter gears, you don't need them in there if your electric starter works and it's a heck of a lot simpler than valves. Also if your not at TDC then your valves will be in play, so of course they will be "tight" and not be able to move because they are currently pressing down on the valve...
Ask if you need clarification.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 10, 2016 8:37:16 GMT -5
Yeah, clarification would be nice. I am not sure how to "un-seize" a transmission.
The Kickstarter was no longer jammed in place when I manually rotated the cam back.
I could rotate the cam totally back around, but it still gets stuck and will not move at the same place backward and forward, before the exhaust's rocker arm is interrupted by the bump on the cam.
If the valves aren't the problem, and a transmission seizing is, please let me know how to fix a transmission problem.
Also, I'm new to this, and saying "talking to wall" doesn't help. I'm learning, not an expert, because if I already knew everything I wouldn't have to ask a forum. Kindness is the currency of heaven.
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Post by lain on Aug 10, 2016 11:25:18 GMT -5
Alright, well I just say that because I have basically been saying the same exact thing the entire time and you haven't asked for clarification and it feels as if you aren't comprehending what I am saying and just moving on instead of asking.
Are you sure it is not moving, can you show us a video with sound? Is it just that the engine may be too hard to turn by hand (compression on 150cc scoots are generally too hard to turn by hand, use a socket wrench on the flywheel or end of the variator/output shaft to turn it), or does it feel as if it is tapping against something, or does it feel and sound like it is scraping something?
It may be possible it is still jammed but only at a certain point in rotation getting caught and rejamming (which happens with kickstarters with chewed up gears, can even engage while you are riding and cause a complete failure of all transmission parts). As I said; remove the kickstarter gears if they are causing issues, you can use your electric starter instead. Literally unscrew/remove the CVT cover, and with yoru hands, reach in, and gently pull the gears out, it's just that easy man.
I do hope you have a gap feeler set for the valve adjustment, sounded as if you did not, which will cause it to not run as well if adjusted without. You should not be just unscrewing valves... You should have measured the gap at tdc first, then unscrewed and keep measuring them and adjusting them until you get them to recommended settings. But don't worry about the valves until you can figure out why the engine is not fully rotating.
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Post by tortoise on Aug 10, 2016 12:21:34 GMT -5
Or . . YOU could actually make a worthwhile effort to help yourself . . previous postings pretty much reflect just another slacker exploiting others!
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Post by johnathonkreider on Aug 10, 2016 18:03:39 GMT -5
Or . . YOU could actually make a worthwhile effort to help yourself . . previous postings pretty much reflect just another slacker exploiting others! No need to be a dick about things. I'm just trying to fix my scooter, and I'm not even sure what terms I'm supposed to search. I've done what reading that I know to do, and have looked in the places that I best know how to look, and I'm still coming up short. I'm not trying to exploit others, I'm looking for help from a community that knows that they are doing. So stop being such an A hole. If you are going to help and contribute, do it, but if you're just going to be another sideline hockey mom yelling at others that are actually trying to get things done, then you can beat it. You'd think people could be kind to those with problems. Good heavens.
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