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Post by jcgribks on Jun 16, 2016 12:41:56 GMT -5
I have a 2012 Puma Falcon 150 (clone of a Motorino Cassini, BMS ZN150T-18 and others). About 2 yrs ago was riding it and it just quit like you turned off the key. After it cooled down it started right back up but less than a mile later same thing and push it home. Called local dealer where I bought it and they said maybe dirt in the fuel and carb. I order a new DC CDI and Coil and that didn't help. I've tried a few times to start it since then but no luck.
About 2 weeks ago I pulled the gas tank, put in a new vacuum fuel pump and added sea foam to gas. I could almost get it to run. A few time it would but wouldn't idle. I finally put my old coil back on and it fired right up and idled so I figured the new Coil I ordered was bad and the sea foam worked to clean out the carb. I went to ride it 3 days ago and it started right up and idled and I got out of the driveway and one house down the street it quit again. No Spark. Then some spark but not consistent. Installed my old CDI and nothing ether. Checked both Coils and both show good but I went bought a new one just to make sure. Still nothing. A couple times a few sparks but then dead again. I then checked the Stator and I'm only getting about .15V DC out of the trigger lead going into the CDI.
Does anyone know what the output voltage should be on a DC Stator? Everything online lists what a AC stator should be and how to check it. I know I have a DC unit as I only have 4 wires going to my CDI, the lights come on with the key and I have 12v DC going to the CDI with the key on. One place online listed 0.2v but a dealer/repair shop here said 8-10v. I don't want to replace the Stator if I don't need to.
Thanks in advance. John
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Post by tortoise on Jun 16, 2016 13:27:32 GMT -5
The trigger coil testing portion of this video should be applicable. If deficient, splicing in a replacement does not require flywheel removal. Replacement resources include ScrappyDog and ebay.
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Post by jcgribks on Jun 20, 2016 9:14:15 GMT -5
**UPDATE** I've checked out all wires and connections. I have .15v DC coming out of the Stator going into the CDI. I have 12V feed going into the CDI. I have a good ground into the CDI. All my grounds are good. Kill switch is working. I DO NOT have anything vDC or vAC coming out of the CDI going into the coil. I checked this wire (CDI output to coil) and it has continuity so I'm thinking I have a bad CDI (actually the 2 I have are both bad).
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Post by tvnacman on Jun 20, 2016 9:47:58 GMT -5
where are you getting parts from? are you able to get tech help from the vendors?
John
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Post by jcgribks on Jun 20, 2016 13:12:11 GMT -5
tvnacman - John I haven't ordered parts yet. I just noticed that all the testing I've done on my scooter is according to this post that you helped on about 2 years ago. I have that same Znen ZN150T-18 or a clone of it. Mines a 2012 Puma Falcon. scooterdoc.proboards.com/thread/10509/stator-cdi-wiring. If you could give me prices and shipping to 66062 on the following: GY6 12 coil stator DC GY6 DC CDI GY6 coil - mines got 2 slots to bolt it to the frame and only 1 male tab for the CDI signal (2nd wire just mounts to one of the 2 slotted bolt holes. I'm % sure its the CDI as I stated about in my post, I have a signal (.15vDC) from the Stator blue/white wire into CDI pin 1 and have 12v DC into CDI pin 6, Ground into CDI pin 4 but nothing coming out of the CDI Ign. Coil positive Pin 2. I have tested all 3 coils that I have and between the gnd and the one tab I basically get 0 ohms and if I remember about 9 ohms on the spark plug lead.
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Post by tvnacman on Jun 20, 2016 14:15:58 GMT -5
John, the Stator diameter is 3 and 7/16 inch. 2 holes, 1 and 5/8 from centers. Harv. Read more: scooterdoc.proboards.com/thread/10509/stator-cdi-wiring#ixzz4C99yr895I have a different approach this go round. I'm thinking to more standardized parts. Go with the 11 pole stator the HP coil and an AC CDI, add a section of harness to make it all work. What did you buy from me back then? I don't remember. John
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Post by jcgribks on Jun 20, 2016 14:23:12 GMT -5
I didn't buy from you I just found that post when searching as it has the same scooter that I have and showed what to check out for no spark. I'm just looking to put this thing back to stock and get it sold as I don't have a used for it anymore as I bought a new Suzuki Burgman 650 exec.
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Post by jcgribks on Jun 26, 2016 9:11:51 GMT -5
Finally figured out what was wrong. My stator pickup is bad. Works until it gets a little hot and then goes out. Thank you Tortoise for giving me that link and I also found another youtube video that showed how just putting heat on the pickup with a hair dryer was enough.
It started running yesterday and got around the block and it quit. Came right in and started checking out the stator, CDI and coil to see which one was going out. Lost the signal from the blue/white trigger from stator. Let it cool off and had signal again, started it up and just let it run on the stand and it quit. Let it cool down and back came the signal. Took a hairdryer to it and out it went again. Already had order and received 2 days ago a new stator, CDI and coil from Valley Scooters (thanks John) so I order the flywheel tool last night and it should be here tomorrow and I'll get the new stator and pickup installed.
Thanks for everyones help.
John
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Post by tortoise on Jun 26, 2016 10:56:55 GMT -5
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