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Post by jdmsoldier on Apr 20, 2016 18:43:17 GMT -5
Just bought a new battery, after having mine failed on me after 6 months, I assume because; I haven't been charging it.
Amp Rating 8 Ah @ 10 Hrs Battery Voltage 12 Volts DC CCA Rating 120 CCA
electrolyte / dry charge
I don't ride it for long periods, just short trips of 10-15 min / day, of actual driving time, and, about 4-5 days of use in a week. Not including the 5+ minutes I let it warm up before I drive.
My questions is;
How often should I be charging the battery, since It does not get much use, and for how many hours should I charge it? Can I, or can I NOT, charge the battery while the battery is still connected to the scooter? What type/brand/features/model, charger should I buy (or stay away from), in the $20-$40 range?
Thanks.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 20, 2016 20:57:12 GMT -5
Jdmsoldier,
My own battery charger is from around 1955... So my "expertise" is a little "dated". It was used in Chicago winters to maintain the battery on my old Harley (6-volt) and my 1950 Chevy (6-volt) and dad's 1955 Chevy and 20 or so more cars and bikes (12-volt) ever since. I even use it for color-anodizing aluminum parts... Yes, it is SO old it has a switch for 6 or 12-volt use...
I still use it on my Honda car, and old Mercury car which don't get driven often, but have not needed it on the scooter yet. I don't ride too much, but so far the old Kymco 250 has not experienced a to-low-to-start battery in the two years I've had it. (New battery installed when I bought the 2007 scooter 2 1/2 years back).
I've never had a problem charging a battery while hooked up. My old Chinese 150 battery would get low some times, and I'd charge it overnight while connected. I actually installed a cigarette-lighter (power-port in today's language...) so I could just plug in a male plug with wires, and connect the charger to the wires... The battery was UNDER the floor and hard to access. The lighter socket was also handy to plug in a little compressor to air up the tires.
My old charger is great for small batteries as it only charges at a max of 3-amps. I'd suggest getting as low-output a charger as you can find so as not to put too much juice into the battery. (Probably modern chargers automatically adjust their output to the individual battery's needs anyway...)
You also might consider a low-amp "battery-tender" to leave hooked up when not using the bike. These are VERY popular with vehicle owners for bikes, boats, cycles, lawn-equipment, custom cars... Anything that sits for a month or so without use.
I think any modern charger/tender would work well. Mine is 62 years old, and was a cheapie from a drug-store! Can't be all that complex or trouble-prone. I doubt if any brand would be of poor quality.
OK... Now how about some good advice from some younger riders with newer than horse and buggy/Harley Davidson experience?
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 21, 2016 6:31:40 GMT -5
I have a Battery Tender Jr. Comes with a tail that hooks to the battery and hangs down sort of under the back fender. The tender plugs into the outlet, and the charger tip thing plugs into the tail.
Peej's battery was new in 2007, been kept plugged in except when I drive days in a row, and just this winter has gone bad. So I can highly recommend the BT Jr. Edit--and he has sat plugged in more than he's been driven, if that makes a difference.
As for cost, I paid about $70, but that included the dealer installing the tail thing for me.
>'Kat
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Post by ricardoguitars on Apr 21, 2016 8:14:14 GMT -5
Agree with Leo, don't charge the battery with more than 1 amp, the so called "fast chargers" put a lot more amps into the battery, but that shortens the battery's life; a trickle charger like Kat's battery tender junior is what you want.
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Post by mftic on Apr 21, 2016 9:18:04 GMT -5
Second the battery tender. I have pigtails installed on 2 of my bikes and the 3rd I just remove the seat and the battery is right there to attach alligator clips. I rotate about a week on each if i'm not riding.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 21, 2016 12:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by mftic on Apr 21, 2016 13:11:05 GMT -5
I'm sure you knew this but for others... Batttery Tender Jr. Complete 4-step charging program (Initialization, Bulk Charge, Absorption Mode, Float Mode). Automatically switches to float / maintenance voltage after fully charging the battery.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 21, 2016 13:21:01 GMT -5
Rockynv,
Great item, AND affordable! Should be perfect for the rider who doesn't ride all that often. It's true that a trickle-charger will sometimes run "too much"... Like as in ALL the time... LOL! My old Chinese 150 took quite a bit of riding to get a weak battery charged back up. If the battery in my "new" old Kymco 250 is a tad low when starting the engine, it seems to charge back up VERY quickly with a short ride. Probably the charging capability varies from one scooter to another. Ride safe, and... CHARGE!Leo in Texas
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Post by larrball on Apr 21, 2016 19:25:45 GMT -5
I have a Battery Tender Jr. Comes with a tail that hooks to the battery and hangs down sort of under the back fender. The tender plugs into the outlet, and the charger tip thing plugs into the tail. Peej's battery was new in 2007, been kept plugged in except when I drive days in a row, and just this winter has gone bad. So I can highly recommend the BT Jr. Edit--and he has sat plugged in more than he's been driven, if that makes a difference. As for cost, I paid about $70, but that included the dealer installing the tail thing for me. >'Kat What Kat said. But you can get the Battery Tender Jr at walmart for around $30.00 and the "tail thing" Kat is talking about is a quick connect on your battery so that you can plug and go. A snap to install if you choose to do so. I think you will find most all of us (and on other scooter boards like this one) would Highly recommend getting one due to the fact it is - "set it and forget it" and your good to go. This is a link to walmart and looks to be a better price then the one i seen at the store and as long as shipping is free then i would buy online and comes with a 'Kat tail ©' www.walmart.com/ip/Battery-Tender-Junior-Charger/15779492?reviews_limit=10&
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Post by reggie on Apr 21, 2016 19:41:39 GMT -5
I bought on of those float chargers from Harbor Freight several years ago, put it on a Gold Wing. I did not ride much that year due to back injury. About 6 weeks later I went out to crank it up. NO crank, no lights, no nothing. I looked in the battery, no water, It was dry as the desert in summer time. The $15.00 charger cost me about $60.00. I have purchased a lot of stuff from H/F but that was the worse. I have a air operated lift table that I use to work on my scooters and motorcycles, works great, good investment, for my back problem.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 21, 2016 20:16:47 GMT -5
What Kat said. But you can get the Battery Tender Jr at walmart for around $30.00 and the "tail thing" Kat is talking about is a quick connect on your battery so that you can plug and go. A snap to install if you choose to do so. I think you will find most all of us (and on other scooter boards like this one) would Highly recommend getting one due to the fact it is - "set it and forget it" and your good to go. This is a link to walmart and looks to be a better price then the one i seen at the store and as long as shipping is free then i would buy online and comes with a 'Kat tail ©' www.walmart.com/ip/Battery-Tender-Junior-Charger/15779492?reviews_limit=10&Hm. My BT Jr didn't come with the jumper cable-looking clamps. I was robbed! And yeah, quick connect. I remember now that's what the dealer called it. Not a tail thing © (see? I can copyright my 'Katisms too, although I give y'alles permission to use them--but with care ) Also, my memory now that I'm more awake is telling me the tender plus installation was $50, 'cause I remember Dad sending me a $50 bill in the mail to cover it (was my b'day prezzie that year) (yes my Dad is awesome) (but also lucky when he foolishly sends cash USPS) >'Kat
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Post by larrball on Apr 21, 2016 20:31:56 GMT -5
What Kat said. But you can get the Battery Tender Jr at walmart for around $30.00 and the "tail thing" Kat is talking about is a quick connect on your battery so that you can plug and go. A snap to install if you choose to do so. I think you will find most all of us (and on other scooter boards like this one) would Highly recommend getting one due to the fact it is - "set it and forget it" and your good to go. This is a link to walmart and looks to be a better price then the one i seen at the store and as long as shipping is free then i would buy online and comes with a 'Kat tail ©' www.walmart.com/ip/Battery-Tender-Junior-Charger/15779492?reviews_limit=10&Hm. My BT Jr didn't come with the jumper cable-looking clamps. I was robbed! And yeah, quick connect. I remember now that's what the dealer called it. Not a tail thing © (see? I can copyright my 'Katisms too, although I give y'alles permission to use them--but with care ) Also, my memory now that I'm more awake is telling me the tender plus installation was $50, 'cause I remember Dad sending me a $50 bill in the mail to cover it (was my b'day prezzie that year) (yes my Dad is awesome) (but also lucky when he foolishly sends cash USPS) >'Kat I think my 'tail thing ©' got a 'Kat bite ©' And i was just trying to be nice. Anyway this is a detailed unbox video for the Battery Tender Junior and how to install. (scooter install is just as easy)
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