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Post by username on Apr 10, 2016 17:03:51 GMT -5
Hi all,
jonway madness yy50qt-31.
i have a currently annoying problem and I keep thinking i fixed it then it rears its ugly intermittent head...
when i switch off the key the engine keeps running, all the lights dash fuel gauge etc go off so it appears the ignition switch is working. Now I know one of the things to check is the earth wire for the cdi I have a side stand cut out and that works so that tells me the cdi and the wires to it are fine. I don't have a kill switch on the dash like some scoots just a side stand cut out and ignition.
there are 2 red wires under my seat the main ones from the battery, I will show you an image, now when I was moving the wires in that area then engine would cut out as it should so it's a loose wire or broken wire somewhere I just can't find it. I spent ages and it seemed as though the connection onto the starter solonoid was intermittent so I chopped an inch off and replaced the end re-installed and all was good while it was still, went for a ride came back and bam issue back again, I'm hoping someone with good electrical knowledge of the gy6 harness can point me in the right direction so I can try and find the culprit wire. Now some info to help with your diagnosis.
while the key is off I can still kick start the engine so it's acting as if the ignition is un-hooked (I can 100% confirm the ignition is working fine and the wires connecting to it are as I have chopped and re ended them tested with multi meter all working as it should) so I think there must be a break further into the harness (somewhere near under the seat as per before) I do have an alarm system with remote start yes I have presses the unlock button and it doesn't kill the engine. I have started it with the fob but again pressing the unlock key does not stop the engine only the side stand does. I have removed the alarm system and put a bridge on it as per other threads I have found this does not solve my problem. Any help appreciated.
on another note fuse blew and I was reading 18v at the headlights so think my rectifier is broken, I have replaced and all is good again with that now just wondering if a connector somewhere might have been burnt out or a wire. I have stripped the bike back to the frame trying to sort this and replaced most of the spade terminals and connector blocks can't find any culprit seems like it's a break in a wire somewhere.
can someone using the above info work out which wire or part of the harness I need to look at, again to summarise, key off engine continues to run, if I kill it with the side stand I can again start it by the kick start while the key is off, all lights dash fuel gauge etc are off while key is off as they should be they come on when I turn the key on
long post but hopefully enough info for someone to help bring back my sanity intermittent issues really are the worst!!! Image below is not of my bike but is same set up mines locked away at moment Thanks
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Post by lain on Apr 11, 2016 6:36:12 GMT -5
I have the same exact issue with a 150cc scooter. Can't find the source of the issue either and have torn apart the electrical system 2 times now.
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Post by username on Apr 11, 2016 8:10:36 GMT -5
yeah i saw your thread and joined in on it with a few pointers on what i had done so far, some of the electrical gurus on here should be able to work out our issue very quickly with the symptoms we have described. hoping one of them will jump in some time soon... does yours kickstart with the key off? for anyone reading this the other thread to help iain is itistheride.boards.net/thread/9289/key-switch-engine
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 11, 2016 15:39:56 GMT -5
In testing CDI's for resale, I have come across a fews that will not shut off the engine.
John
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 12, 2016 7:19:58 GMT -5
Can't help with your ignition, just wanted to say that my old Taurus once played a similar game. I turned him off and removed the key, then realized the engine was still running. Key in hand, standing outside of car, engine chugging along happily like it had no care in the world over its key. Something inside the ignition had worn out.
So it's not just Chinese scooters that sometimes don't turn off. It can also be 20-year-old Fords.
Good luck getting this fixed for good!
>'Kat
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Apr 12, 2016 15:31:35 GMT -5
Hi all, jonway madness yy50qt-31. i have a currently annoying problem and I keep thinking i fixed it then it rears its ugly intermittent head... when i switch off the key the engine keeps running, all the lights dash fuel gauge etc go off so it appears the ignition switch is working. Now I know one of the things to check is the earth wire for the cdi I have a side stand cut out and that works so that tells me the cdi and the wires to it are fine. I don't have a kill switch on the dash like some scoots just a side stand cut out and ignition. there are 2 red wires under my seat the main ones from the battery, I will show you an image, now when I was moving the wires in that area then engine would cut out as it should so it's a loose wire or broken wire somewhere I just can't find it. I spent ages and it seemed as though the connection onto the starter solonoid was intermittent so I chopped an inch off and replaced the end re-installed and all was good while it was still, went for a ride came back and bam issue back again, I'm hoping someone with good electrical knowledge of the gy6 harness can point me in the right direction so I can try and find the culprit wire. Now some info to help with your diagnosis. while the key is off I can still kick start the engine so it's acting as if the ignition is un-hooked (I can 100% confirm the ignition is working fine and the wires connecting to it are as I have chopped and re ended them tested with multi meter all working as it should) so I think there must be a break further into the harness (somewhere near under the seat as per before) I do have an alarm system with remote start yes I have presses the unlock button and it doesn't kill the engine. I have started it with the fob but again pressing the unlock key does not stop the engine only the side stand does. I have removed the alarm system and put a bridge on it as per other threads I have found this does not solve my problem. Any help appreciated. on another note fuse blew and I was reading 18v at the headlights so think my rectifier is broken, I have replaced and all is good again with that now just wondering if a connector somewhere might have been burnt out or a wire. I have stripped the bike back to the frame trying to sort this and replaced most of the spade terminals and connector blocks can't find any culprit seems like it's a break in a wire somewhere. can someone using the above info work out which wire or part of the harness I need to look at, again to summarise, key off engine continues to run, if I kill it with the side stand I can again start it by the kick start while the key is off, all lights dash fuel gauge etc are off while key is off as they should be they come on when I turn the key on long post but hopefully enough info for someone to help bring back my sanity intermittent issues really are the worst!!! Image below is not of my bike but is same set up mines locked away at moment Thanks Your pilots too rich, how about that air fuel mixture eh?
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Post by username on Apr 12, 2016 18:39:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies
Idle jet too rich wouldn't cause this problem it's as far as I can tell there's a black and white wire connecting the ignition switch and cdi together and that goes to ground it's got to be a break somewhere in that wire or the connecting grounds I currently have an oil leak from the rocker cover ordered a new seal and some Alan key head bolts for the rocker cover as there so much better! Engine bush mounts worn down and everytime there's a hint of rain the bike cuts out which in Britain is always so I'm going to strip the bike down and take the engine out to do bush and seal and use about 15 rolls of insulation tape to waterproof everything. lain I will figure this out and let you know. But if it's a problem with the black white wire or an earth wire your probably gonna have to pull your wiring harness apart unless it's (hopefully) just a bad connector plug...
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Post by tvnacman on Apr 12, 2016 18:52:30 GMT -5
check at the ignition switch, when the key is off the black/white wire should be grounded from the green wire via the switch. Then check at the cdi connector for ground at the black/white wire. If it gets lost some where add an extra wire in its place.
John
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Post by username on Apr 12, 2016 19:13:26 GMT -5
It's currently 01:05 over here so no messing about with it just yet. I was just thinking there are 2 earth wires on the cdi and I'm assuming 1 must go to to the ignition and one must go to the side stand switch I.e. Turning off the ignition connects let's say earth 1 on the cdi where as the side stand connects earth 2 so if I unplug one of the earth wires and the side stand stops working then I know I need to follow the other one... That sound correct? My reasoning for this is I was playing with wires around the area where my cdi is under my seat and I kept making the connection and killing the engine but it seemed to do it with a few wires I was moving so I'm guessing I was just moving the harness. Anyway I'd rather work from the cdi back to the ignition as I know the break is around there and I don't have to take the floor panels up.
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Post by username on Apr 14, 2016 2:24:08 GMT -5
FIXED IT! it was a job and a half opened up about 80% of the harness. there was a 3 way connection on the black white wire, the wire from the side stand cut out, the one from ignition and the one to the CDI, cut, re-twisted and sealed the wires. all is fine now
this was under the foot board might be worth checking around there Iain if your reading this...
ill post some images later
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Post by JerryScript on Apr 14, 2016 18:52:37 GMT -5
Good job! A lot of people give up on electrical issues due to the pain tracing them down can be. Now have a cold one, and savour the feeling of fixing it yourself!
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Post by powerzombie on Apr 14, 2016 19:05:08 GMT -5
Good job. thanks for the update.
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