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Post by username on Feb 27, 2016 9:03:12 GMT -5
Hi,
im from the UK the bolts that you slide the inlet manifold over and then tighten it to, one of them has lost its threads, im aware its just a case of using a pair of vice grips to remove the old one and install a new one but it seems impossible to source one from anywhere in the UK. (by lost its threads i mean the threads on the actual bolt)
can i instead just use a standard m6 bolt and bolt it directly through the manifold into the engine or am i likely to strip the threads in the engine creating an even bigger job of having to helicoil it? i do have some m6 bolts with the right size thread...
also my frame snapped the other day (bike is only 18 month old), im going to get it welded tonight but i fear it wont be as strong, should i have a bar welded across it? its the section just under the seat at the side of the rocker cover one side has snapped completely but its a clean break accross and the other side has half split now. or is it best just to scrap it and say goodbye???
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Post by cyborg on Feb 27, 2016 14:30:57 GMT -5
Bolt remedy is good,, I'd sleeve the frame and double weld,,, but I'm a puss and a coward of the highest order,,, frame failures do not appeal to me,,
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Post by username on Feb 27, 2016 19:49:21 GMT -5
Pardon my poor welding Knowledge but a double weld? As its a circular pipe the frame I'm assuming. Just weld all the way round? The guy who's gonna do it is going to sleeve it and weld it and guaranteed it wouldn't break again he said when you weld something that's snapped the weld then becomes the strongest part is that all correct? He said he's gonna put a pipe inside the frame(I'm assuming that's the 'sleeve' and weld both sides of the frame where it has split onto the pipe leaving a tiny tiny gap about 1 mm and then weld the frame back together over it. What do you think? is he correct and will that be stronger than the original frame as the original frame obviously wasn't strong enough to face up to my weight and what my local council currently calls a poor excuse for road, there's more pot holes than road...
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Post by cyborg on Feb 27, 2016 20:57:37 GMT -5
I would sleeve it on the outside myself but what he proposes is a solid and valid repair,,, as far as the roads go,,, keep voting in the liberal " enlightened" people into places of power and more taxes will be paid for less and less return,,, ah ain't socialism great???
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Post by cyborg on Feb 27, 2016 21:07:53 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't mean to be rude ,,, to answer your other statement yes the repair will be stronger than the original but keep in mind the load path will be changed and the normal flex will be concentrated on either end of the sleeve so you'll have to keep an eye on it for cracks
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Post by rockynv on Mar 2, 2016 5:08:07 GMT -5
Also check that you have the pre-load collars on the rear shocks set for your weight to ensure that they are set for your weight. Be mindful that many of the smaller scooters (even the 150cc) only have a 230lb capacity most of which will only have a single shock on the left side of the bike with no swing arm extension on the right. Note that while the weld can be stronger it can also be more brittle. Also if the ends of the internal sleeve are not chamfered they can cause the frame to snap again at the sharp end of the sleeve. What size, make and model bike are we talking about? The intake studs should be replaced with studs and not bolts or you will wear the tapped threads in the head out faster than the threads on the steel stud did. www.partsforscooters.com/175-13-Intake-Manifold-Studs-M6-1-00?sc=38&category=138719How many times did you remove the intake in 18 months in order to wear out the threads on the intake studs? That is something that one does not expect to hear on such a new bike especially since you just need to loosen the clamp to slide the carb out for service and rarely need to remove the intake itself. Just curious about root cause and prevention of a recurrence.
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Post by username on Mar 2, 2016 17:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by username on Mar 2, 2016 17:31:04 GMT -5
Hi Update, frame repaired had it welded like I said with the addition of steel welded to the outside to better support it as well he then sprayed it over with a waterproof black spray paint to protect it. Inlet only removed once and the threads where perfectly fine, I was doing my valves the other day as I had issues starting and noticed one of the nuts loose when I went to tighten it down it just wouldn't just kept spinning I removed it and noticed the threads where stripped. i have found one and ordered it. I have a new problem. After doing my valves I had a day of the bike starting perfectly absolutely perfect it has never started this easy even since new. And today the exact opposite I had an issue where when going full throttle it was just bogging down and slowing the engine right down till it cut out it then became impossible to start. I have noticed a few things with the spark plug if i take it out dry it out and put it back in it fires up right away if I kill it after a few seconds and try to start it again not a chance can turn it over till the battery is flat and it won't start but if I take it out clean it up and dry it and put it back starts up straight away, tried changing the plug to a new one and same thing happens I also tested grounding the plug to the frame before drying the fuel off it and there was no spark at all but if I dry it ground it and try again there is a spark on the plug so it's like as soon as the plug gets wet in the engine it stops firing its spark got stuck today and after it died down at full throttle and cut out it would not start had to wait 2 hours for recovery after having no tools draining the battery and kick starting till my foot was too sore to do anymore all this while it was only 4 deg c and raining. Is it a bad cdi not sending enough spark through? Bad coil lead too much fuel getting through too quickly?
Ohh almost forgot to mention it idles perfectly it's only when going wot that it Boggs down and it's not a bogging down like it's in too high a gear or as if it's air or fuel starved all those cause it to bog and struggle and sit at a low rpm this is more like if you was to put the side stand down while riding which I have done and it's exactly the same symptoms that's why I went straight to the spark plug I really think it's either a cdi problem or something to do with the spark plug.
I have a spare known bad cdi and I connected that to test with that it only sends 1 spark every few seconds my normal cdi sends loads like it almost looks continuous
Any ideas much appreciated.
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Post by username on Mar 3, 2016 3:33:05 GMT -5
fixed it! to anyone reading this who has issues with engine bogging down under full throttle and cutting out (not just bogging down as thats more likely a CVT issue) then the problem is most likely too much fuel getting in your engine, the simplest way to check is remove the spark plug and clean and dry it put it back in and see if it starts, if it does great if not leave the plug out for 15 minutes to let any excess fuel in the engine evaporate. once you have it started let the engine run for a few seconds give it a little WOT and kill it. wait a few seconds, try starting it again now, if it is very reluctant to start remove the plug again, check dry it and re-install if if fires up again first time its too much fuel (or it was in my case) my issue was with the float needle in the carb, i recently replaced the carb as mine was removed when it was stolen, for some reason the idiot in china set the disc on the pin to the lowest setting, i have now set it back to the middle and the bike had ridden like a dream this morning!
next modification replace that plug with a CR7HIX..
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Post by rockynv on Mar 3, 2016 6:16:26 GMT -5
Another piece of the puzzle. The bike is a recovered theft from which the thief removed the carb. Hopefully there was only the intake stud damage from the theft.
Glad you got it back and running.
Time for a better lock?
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Post by username on Mar 3, 2016 9:13:09 GMT -5
better lock, yeah it was the one night i didnt put my alarm on as the battery in the fob was going.
i have replaced that now so the bike has:
alarm immobiliser steering lock (standard one) disk lock with chain and alarm GPS tracking (ohh yeah, fitted it myself and everything cost me less than £18 for all tools and its been extremely accurate for the 2 or so months i have been using it.)
if someone manages to steal it now i would be very surprised, and then id just track them down... (pun intended)
and no the inlet studs where not the only damage, the whole front end plastics and lights etc had been smashed off, indicators smashed off, mirrors removed steering yoke bent, steering bearings damaged gearbox bearing destroyed kick start kicked to death to the point that the spring wont return it (this still needs to be fixed) ragged around on a very muddy field after they removed the air filter. rear lights smashed off lots of other things i cant remember
there wasnt much left of the bike unfortunately... but i couldnt let it go! so determied to not let them beat me i built it back up, stripped what was left of the bike down to the frame, removed and cleaned everything and slowly built it back up as parts arrived. cost me circa £100 to replace all the parts that the best thing about chinese scoots, the parts are so dam cheap!
now how do you mark these posts as solved???
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