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Post by spunn on Oct 27, 2015 16:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by trailheadmike on Nov 3, 2015 22:21:45 GMT -5
Great post, thanks.
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Post by spunn on Nov 9, 2015 16:54:12 GMT -5
No Prob, I have come to learn when someone finds something that works its great to see them post it. Not to boast, but I find it answering my questions.
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Post by bhinch on Nov 15, 2015 6:13:46 GMT -5
Great info...I installed HID's on my scoot almost 5 yrs ago and love them. LED's might be my next upgrade. Thanks...
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Post by spunn on Nov 17, 2015 13:43:02 GMT -5
Great info...I installed HID's on my scoot almost 5 yrs ago and love them. LED's might be my next upgrade. Thanks... I love the look of HID's and they can sure light up a roadway. I just love LED's. And a few years ago the smart move was to AVOID AVOID AVOID. But with the demand so high, finally a company got it right. They make many different sizes so I encourage people to check their bulb and on my link there is a drop down for sizes and types. |
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Post by nulldevice on Dec 9, 2015 18:27:56 GMT -5
You need to add the same wattage load to the electrical system that you removed by going with LED lights. Otherwise you are adding load to the regulator and running it hotter. This makes regulator failure probable if you don't.
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Post by rockynv on Dec 10, 2015 1:44:59 GMT -5
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Post by spunn on Dec 14, 2015 15:55:44 GMT -5
You need to add the same wattage load to the electrical system that you removed by going with LED lights. Otherwise you are adding load to the regulator and running it hotter. This makes regulator failure probable if you don't. This is deff something to keep in thought, I spoke with many of people about this when deciding to "up" the watts. Many people have already done this on the Burg and have fro years been ok, I hope I am the same. All electrical and mechanical techs I know who deal with this type of things, noted and said I should be fine running these. So far......so good, so let's keep the fingers crossed |
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Post by nulldevice on Dec 14, 2015 19:04:54 GMT -5
Your goal seems to be better lighting and you seem to have met your goal. Good luck on regulator life.
You removed about 60 watts of load and the regulator now needs to dissipate 60 more watts of heat to keep the voltage controlled. To appreciate the heat load added to the regulator, turn on a 60 watt incandescent bulb for five minutes and feel the heat. Good luck to you. My luck wasn't.
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Post by rockynv on Dec 15, 2015 4:58:12 GMT -5
Your goal seems to be better lighting and you seem to have met your goal. Good luck on regulator life. You removed about 60 watts of load and the regulator now needs to dissipate 60 more watts of heat to keep the voltage controlled. To appreciate the heat load added to the regulator, turn on a 60 watt incandescent bulb for five minutes and feel the heat. Good luck to you. My luck wasn't. Do you have a Burgman with the modern regulator or a Chinese Scooter that has the less reliable shunt-type regulators. One of the best upgrades one can do if the have a problematic shunt-type regulator when it keeps failing is to upgrade it to the more modern MOSFET type from say a Honda or Suzuki. The Shindengen FH012AA is the model that appears to be a popular choice for this upgrade. The stator should also run cooler with a MOSFET regulator and last longer as should the battery. |
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Post by nulldevice on Dec 16, 2015 18:33:32 GMT -5
Your goal seems to be better lighting and you seem to have met your goal. Good luck on regulator life. You removed about 60 watts of load and the regulator now needs to dissipate 60 more watts of heat to keep the voltage controlled. To appreciate the heat load added to the regulator, turn on a 60 watt incandescent bulb for five minutes and feel the heat. Good luck to you. My luck wasn't. Do you have a Burgman with the modern regulator or a Chinese Scooter that has the less reliable shunt-type regulators. One of the best upgrades one can do if the have a problematic shunt-type regulator when it keeps failing is to upgrade it to the more modern MOSFET type from say a Honda or Suzuki. The Shindengen FH012AA is the model that appears to be a popular choice for this upgrade. The stator should also run cooler with a MOSFET regulator and last longer as should the battery. The Burgman has a permanent magnet alternator. This means the alternator generates at its full capacity all the time. If you use a regulator that isn't a shunt regulator the extra current winds up circulating in the stator coils and heating them up. The Shindegen regulator is a shunt regulator. The choice of MOSFETs or BJTs or just a big zener diode is of no consequence. The reliability and temperature rise is in the design, execution of the design, and quality control system, at which the Chinese manufacturers are notoriously bad. I wound up building shunt regulators for my Chinese scooters myself. NPN or PNP transistors, N channel or P channel MOSFETS, it didn't matter. They worked well, they didn't fail. It is the choice of beefy components and generous heat sinking that makes the difference. |
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Post by yelloscoot on Jan 6, 2016 21:32:39 GMT -5
How are the LEDs working out for you up till now? I'm looking into this set also, but, the 60W may be too much for my system. I have converted over to LED brake and signals already. Also wondering if the fan used by the headlights make any sound...? Edit: Just watched a review on Youtube and the sound is minimal. Now I'm just concerned with the amp draw.  |
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Post by rockynv on Jan 7, 2016 10:47:40 GMT -5
If the charging system is always producing full output and the regulator keeps it running at full load by shunting to ground when you reduce the electrical load why when you are idling does the cycling of the cooling fan or switching on the high and low beams together (turning on the passing lights) put an extra load on the engine reducing its RPM's if the charging system is always fully loaded and always producing full output?
Why do bikes that have been converted to LED tend to get better fuel economy if the regulator kicks in and keeps the system fully loaded all the time regardless of the actual electrical load?
I am missing something here or my Aprilia/Piaggio has a totally different charging system compared to the Burgman, Honda, Yamaha, etc.
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Post by spunn on Jan 11, 2016 14:50:55 GMT -5
How are the LEDs working out for you up till now? I'm looking into this set also, but, the 60W may be too much for my system. I have converted over to LED brake and signals already. Also wondering if the fan used by the headlights make any sound...? Edit: Just watched a review on Youtube and the sound is minimal. Now I'm just concerned with the amp draw. So far so good, there are about 4 other riders on another Forum that have all done the same conversion. They are bright as crap and never use my high beams, maybe in the back mountain roads but in San Diego that is not often. As for the draw and so on, I know it says 55W and 60W and so on but my bike runs a lot better with full LED conversion. I was under the impression that it uses less electrical load and energy so the bike isn't making as much, same as a home. Now this is all stated from some one whom is not an electrician but is more of a numbers guy. In my house I have solar, I run the ac on and the doors wide open....not really but don't pay for power. That being said, when I went all LED in the house because they outlast and look better in my opinion, with everything lit up and cranking I use a lot less energy then florescent. But the wattage is more. So as for your answer......no clue, not a damn one |
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Post by yelloscoot on Jan 11, 2016 17:31:10 GMT -5
00 So far so good, there are about 4 other riders on another Forum that have all done the same conversion. They are bright as crap and never use my high beams, maybe in the back mountain roads but in San Diego that is not often. Good to know. I ordered the H4/9003 set this past Saturday and have already changed over to LED everywhere else, except for, the gauges. I'm pretty sure I'll be fine. The listing shows only 30w/bulb and the current factory ones are, guessing 25w/bulb. They should be delivered by the weekend and weather permitting installed soon after. Thanks for the feedback and peace of mind. Loren |
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