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Post by bandito2 on Oct 26, 2015 11:13:34 GMT -5
Not my way at all. Put it away with a full tank of fuel and then leave it alone until you are ready to ride it. All those cold starts in cold weather without a load on it and no miles (shudder). Not a good thing for the motor. This^ +1 The BV200 uses a carburetor and is not fuel injected. So the best long term storage should be: Full tank of non-ethanol fuel with stabilizer to prevent water condensation. Empty/drain carburetor float bowl. Disconnect battery and store in a cool dry place to prevent freezing. It would also be appropriate to maintain charge with a battery tender. Also best to change engine oil before long term storage. No need to keep used/contaminated oil in the bike for so long. It really is not a good practice to intermittently run the engine (not under load) for just brief periods during storage. And actually may be harder on the bike than just leaving it alone over winter. Extended long term storage as in "pickling" (multiple years long storage perhaps) is a different thing; with fogging oil and vehicle contained in a smaller environmentally controlled environment as used by museums. Don't think Peej is worthy of curator like treatment (nor would it be necessary) so the regular "best practices" long term storage would be the recommendation I would give. |
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Post by crawford on Oct 26, 2015 12:14:51 GMT -5
I did look it up he is right always I'm learning.
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Post by ricardoguitars on Oct 26, 2015 12:34:22 GMT -5
Piaggio BV200 specs:
Key Specs - Beverly 200 / 250 / 300 / 350 / 500
* Engines: 198cc, 244cc, 278cc, 330cc or 492cc single cylinder, 4-stroke
* Valves: 2 valves (198cc) or 4-valve (244cc, 278cc, 330cc & 492cc)
* Cooling: Air-cooled (198cc) or Liquid Cooled (244cc, 278cc, 330cc & 492cc)
* Power: 21 hp (198cc), 22 hp (244cc), 32.8hp (330cc) 39hp (492cc)
* Transmission: CVT
* Bore & Stroke: 72mm x 60mm (244cc), 75mm x 63mm (278cc), 78mm x 69mm (330cc) or 92mm x 69mm (492cc)
* Fuel Delivery: Electronic fuel injection
* Wheelbase: 57.9” (250 model) or 61” (500 model)
* Weight: 328 lbs (250 model), 390 lbs (350) or 416 lbs (500 model)
* Starter: Electric
* Seat height: 31” (250 model), 30.5” (500 model)
* Fuel Tank: 2.6 gallon / 10 liters (BV250), 3.4 gallon (BV350), 3.5 gallon / 13 liters (BV500)
* Front Brake: Single (250 model) or double (500 model) 260mm dual piston disc
* Rear Brake: 260mm (250 model) or 240mm (500 model) single disc dual piston
* Front Suspension: Telescopic fork, 4” travel
* Rear Suspension: Dual, pre-load adjustable shocks. 3.5” (90mm) travel.
* Tires: 110/70-16 (Front), Rear is 140/70-16 (250 model) or 150/70-14 (500 model)
* USA MSRP: $4299 (2004 BV 200), $4899 (2010 BV 250), $5499 (2013 Beverly Sport Touring 350), $6399 (2010 BV 500)
* Canada MSRP: $6295 (2011 BV 300), $6195 (2015 BV 350)
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Post by rockynv on Oct 26, 2015 12:37:55 GMT -5
The carbueretor in the BV 200 will evaporate dry during that long term storage even with Stabil or Startron in it so you have two choices which is leave it on the tender ensuring that the battery is topped off with distilled water and start it every week to let the carb refill with the treated fuel or to siphon as much out as you can and then run it dry changing the oil while its still warm before putting it away for the winter. Still keep the battery on the Tender whether its in or out of the bike. You are already having carb issues from it sitting so long so its hard to say which will be the least painfull. Here is the parts listing for the BV200: www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=2667The BV200 used either the T18 (CM116009) or T19 carbueretor until they ended production however it is always possible that some made it stateside with the fuel injection from the Vespa 200. T18: www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=31740 |
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Post by crawford on Oct 26, 2015 12:39:11 GMT -5
wow this is the one we saw sorry 2005 BV 200 Engine Specs Specs Overview Engine Performance Transmission Wheels Tires Brakes Suspension & Steering Seats Bodywork Instrumentation Bags & Storage Fuel Economy Other View Available Options Bore (in) 2.8 Bore (mm) 72 Cooling Liquid Cylinders 1 Displacement (cc) 198 Displacement (ci) 12.1 Engine Configuration Single-Cylinder Engine Immobilizer Standard Engine Type 4-Stroke Fuel Injector No Fuel Requirements Premium Fuel System Type Carburetor Number Of Carburetors 1 Starter Electric Stroke (in) 1.9 Stroke (mm) 48.6 Valve Configuration SOHC Valves 4 Valves Per Cylinder 4 Read more: www.motorcyclistonline.com/2005/piaggio/bv/200/specifications/17118/05/engine.html#ixzz3phFuc1yt |
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Post by ricardoguitars on Oct 26, 2015 12:41:57 GMT -5
wow this is the one we saw sorry 2005 BV 200 Engine Specs Specs Overview Engine Performance Transmission Wheels Tires Brakes Suspension & Steering Seats Bodywork Instrumentation Bags & Storage Fuel Economy Other View Available Options Bore (in) 2.8 Bore (mm) 72 Cooling Liquid Cylinders 1 Displacement (cc) 198 Displacement (ci) 12.1 Engine Configuration Single-Cylinder Engine Immobilizer Standard Engine Type 4-Stroke Fuel Injector No Fuel Requirements Premium Fuel System Type Carburetor Number Of Carburetors 1 Starter Electric Stroke (in) 1.9 Stroke (mm) 48.6 Valve Configuration SOHC Valves 4 Valves Per Cylinder 4 Read more: www.motorcyclistonline.com/2005/piaggio/bv/200/specifications/17118/05/engine.html#ixzz3phFuc1ytWell, now I'm confused, lol  Anyway, the good 'ol Italian Tuneup works on both, carburettors and injectors to keep them clean, after all it is an Italian bike  betaruce.com/?p=6 |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 26, 2015 12:53:31 GMT -5
The immobilizer was usually part of the fuel injection system so if the immobilizer option was chosen that is where the greater chance of having fuel injection would be.
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Post by flyangler on Oct 26, 2015 13:20:56 GMT -5
As a long time member of the modern vespa forum I can say for sure that the 200gt motor is liquid cooled and is not fuel injected, I'm not trying to be a jerk I just don't like to see wrong information .
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Post by bandito2 on Oct 26, 2015 15:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 26, 2015 17:51:03 GMT -5
Wow. I go away for an afternoon and all specs broke loose! As far as I know, my BV is water-cooled and carbureted. But of course we also know what my official forum title is.... There is some sort of fan that kicks in on hot days, usually is running once I get home and parked and goes for maybe a minute after I turn him off. I always assumed  that's the same as the fan in the car that runs after shut-off. As for rocky's "sitting so long" for the monthish, my poor abused Piggy has sat WAY longer than that before.  He sat for almost two years (darn workman's comp injury!), and he sits every late fall through early spring (my Harley friend instructed me to always wait for the first good rain so all the salt and sand and junk gets washed off the roads). Some years I've been less attentive about starting him so regularly. Yet every spring come tune-up time, he starts almost right up! Gotta' love Italians! Say, is there a way I can tell if he's fi or c'ed? Uh, a way that doesn't involve tools, that is...? >'Kat |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 27, 2015 3:38:16 GMT -5
Once you start getting white corrosion in the fuel bowl and bits of rubber hose start to come off from the ethanol in the gasoline you will start to have these types of storage issues. Taking the fuel bowl off of the carburetor to clean inside it can mean that you will need to at least purchase a new fuel bowl gasket since Ethanol will usually stretch them out so that they are too long to fit back in place once they spring out of the groove that they sit in.
When you turn a fuel injected bike on you will be able to hear the fuel injection pump wind up and pressurize the system while the pump on a carbureted bike is usually silent even if its electric.
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 27, 2015 17:48:56 GMT -5
Well, I went ahead and called my scooter shop, since there's a diff in opinions here. The mech agreed that a cell has probably gone bad. I explained that I can do nothing 'til spring because foot surgery forbids any scooting 'til then. He is in the camp of keep the Tender hooked, and every couple weeks unplug it and start up Peej and let him idle a bit. He said that'll keep all the fluids...something (maybe lubricated?) and the battery going. Said as long as the battery cranks, I'm not doing any harm.
He also thinks that that mid-throttle die that then kicked out and went away was most likely a bit of a clog. Unless it returns. But since it throttled fine after the kick, he said it sounded like it pushed through. This of course being a phone diagnosis, without actually seeing anything.
I did learn that it's ok to unplug from the outlet, you don't need to unplug from the pigtail (which currently is a bit hard for me to access, darn foot).
Bunches of thanks to y'alles for helping me out. V-hugs all around!
>'Kat
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 27, 2015 17:50:31 GMT -5
When you turn a fuel injected bike on you will be able to hear the fuel injection pump wind up and pressurize the system while the pump on a carbureted bike is usually silent even if its electric. I'm going with carb then. When I start Peej, I hear engine crank then putt putt putt. >'Kat |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 28, 2015 11:48:41 GMT -5
If it was fuel injected you would have to wait for the fuel injection pump to pressurize and the dash to boot up before you start it or you'll do a lot of cranking. You will hear the pump running until the pressure builds up while the dash goes through its initialization process.
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 17, 2015 13:57:04 GMT -5
UPDATE--
I noticed last night (and good ol' Mom noticed just now as she left for the Post Office), the BTjr is now fast-flashing green.
So I called SW again. Dave the mech (why are all my mechs named Dave?) reaffirmed the battery has a problem, and said he definitely wants me to have Peej towed to them come spring rather than me trying to drive him. Said between the previous red to green flash pattern and now this, that there's a good chance the battery might fail and strand me.
Also said to go ahead and start him up every couple weeks, if the battery permits. Let him idle a couple minutes, then rev a couple times, then off. That'll keep the fluids circulating.
Sigh. I hate vehicles. Really I do. But I suppose a horse wouldn't be much better for troubles, would it.
>'Kat
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