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Post by mrpalmetto on Sept 21, 2015 10:28:13 GMT -5
I put a 180cc big block engine in. I installed an OKO 30mm carb. The scoot starts on a spark, idles perfectly and pulls great until I hit 45 to 50 mph. Then the pull stops, the revs go down and any more throttle makes it bog. I changed the main jets several times and the only improvement I got was yesterday when I removed the UNI filter and in would run much better and not die off both in speed or revs.
Everything about this engine runs great until I reach the one half to full throttle position and then the symptoms listed above develop. I went from a 130 to a 125 to a 118 to a 112 to a 108 main jet and have been reading the plug along the way. The best I achieved is a 118 main jet with the best performance with the UNI filter off. I hit 58 mph which is real good for a reverse trike with a windshield, but I know there is more left in that engine.
Why would it drop in revs and quit pulling at the upper range of the throttle and why does removing the air filter, which improves performance, contribute to my problems. Any help with any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The valves were set by the builder, so I didn't mess with the adjustments. If it starts on a spark, and pulls great thru the needle stage of the carb operation, could it be the valves. I'm really wore out and puzzled on this one.
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Post by cyborg on Sept 21, 2015 17:42:04 GMT -5
if you pull the filter and the problem goes away or lessens then you are jetted wrong ,,,when you take off the filter you are letting more air in
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Post by mrpalmetto on Sept 21, 2015 19:36:26 GMT -5
Ok that makes a lot of sense. But unfortunately repeating my information in a simpler manner doesn't get me any closer to my goal. Would you suggest a bigger jet or a smaller jet and does your answer take into consideration the optimum winning combination with the dual stage UNI installed as currently only the grey single stage is installed, and of course I would like to run optimally with the red UNI installed on top of the grey, thus a two stage filter.
Are you guessing or have you experienced this type of situation in your own interactions with your scooter? Anybody with practical information out there that can make some positive suggestions, maybe an administrator or an ol timer?
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Post by JoeyBee on Sept 21, 2015 20:34:37 GMT -5
If taking off your air filter gets better results, sounds like you are running too rich. In theory, removing the air filter increased the amount of air which improved your air fuel ratio. Have you gone through Alleyoop's carb tuning guide? www.itistheride.com/Help_carb_adj_4T.pdfAnother question is what is the weights of your rollers or sliders inside your variator? Maybe your weights are too heavy resulting in a good low end takeoff, but topping out too low in the max speed.
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Post by mrpalmetto on Sept 22, 2015 9:12:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Joey
I initially had 14 sliders and that didn't work, I tried 12 rollers but still no good. I thought like you did, that the rollers might be the reason, so I put in 9.5 gram sliders. It ran the best so far.
Do you think I should go even lighter on the rollers, maybe to an 8 roller? Never have read about a 150 cc no less a 180 cc with variator weights that light. What do you think?
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 22, 2015 10:07:51 GMT -5
Go to doc and get with Alley. It in the carb.
John
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Post by tvnacman on Sept 22, 2015 10:53:15 GMT -5
Go to doc and get with Alley. Its in the carb. what were your stock rollers? John
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Post by JoeyBee on Sept 22, 2015 14:21:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Joey I initially had 14 sliders and that didn't work, I tried 12 rollers but still no good. I thought like you did, that the rollers might be the reason, so I put in 9.5 gram sliders. It ran the best so far. Do you think I should go even lighter on the rollers, maybe to an 8 roller? Never have read about a 150 cc no less a 180 cc with variator weights that light. What do you think? I agree with the other member. Check out the other forum where Alleyoop is at. Sounds like a carb problem and he is an expert with trikes.
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Post by JoeyBee on Sept 22, 2015 14:21:58 GMT -5
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