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Post by tweakgames on Sept 5, 2015 12:49:46 GMT -5
Hello all,
I just picked up a decent 08 MC-54-250B with a Linhai motor in it. It is an "upgrade" from my 150 GY6 Roketa. I am in the process of fixing it all back up to normal person standards, but I seem to have an issue right now that is confusing me.
From a stop, this thing is extremely slow off the line. When I hit the gas, it revs up only a small bit, to about 2.5kish RPMs, and slowly, I mean slowly, accelerates up from there. That is the complete opposite as my Gy6, that wrapped up to 5-6k rpm, and shot me forward. Once it gets to about 20 or 30 mph, it starts to accelerate much better. I have swapped out the variator with a new one, with the same 8 14 gram weights, and it doesn't seem to have made a difference. I have confirmed reving on the stand that the variator and clutch are changing. I am about to go for a test drive later this after evening with only half the weights in the variator just to see if that makes a difference.
I also put on a new GATES POWERLINK 856 23 30 DRIVE BELT, just in case it was slipping or something. I noticed on the variator, that the belt doesn't sit all the way down onto the inside of the variator, I can slip my finger between the belt and the bottom, is that normal?
Anything else I should look at, or into? Maybe the rear clutch springs are too weak?
Thank you for your time.
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Post by tweakgames on Sept 5, 2015 17:36:27 GMT -5
Hello all again.
Just went out for the test drive. BUT before hand, I adjusted the valves (they were pretty loose) and cleaned out the carb with carb cleaner. The jet was a 115. Took it out for a test drive, and it was much better. The lower throttle response and power was a big part of the issue it seemed. It still weirdly (or maybe not weirdly) doesn't go up past 3,000 rpm when accelerating, until it get past about 25 mph, but it is able to at least be usable now.
I put the 2nd set of 14 gram rollers back in just to see, and it did accelerate slower, but it was definitely smoother and calmer. I also later raised the idle RPM from about 900 to 1,500 as I saw on a metal sticker was supposed to be set to. I got an intake and exhaust on the way, so I will need to change that jet soon anyways.
I guess, is it normal to be seeing what I am seeing, very low RPM while accelerating from a stop on a Roketa 250B?
Thanks.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 6, 2015 12:25:14 GMT -5
Tweakgames,
First, WELCOME to the site!
I ride a well-used Kymco 250 (at least "similar" to your scooter). I'm no expert, but it seems to me that if the drive-belt is NOT going all the way down in the variator, THAT is likely your main issue. You simply have no "low" gear, and your engine is trying to start up from a dead stop in too "high" a variator condition. It cannot rev until you get up SOME speed and rpm to give it a chance... Like starting up in a stick-shift car, in 2nd or 3rd gear.
I would examine the belt, and see if maybe it's somehow too large, or too wide. See if you can find the correct belt and be sure yours is the same. I've never seen this phenomenon, but you shouldn't be able to get your fingers beneath the belt with it all the way down.
Try to compare your belt with a known "proper" one to see if it's longer, or wider. If the belt IS correct, you need to see WHY it's not going all the way down, and tight.
Regardless of how well your engine runs, I'm pretty sure that your belt/variator at idle is the main cause of slow acceleration. Something is causing the belt to be too large at idle. Wrong belt, maybe a clutch issue (possible, but not too likely). If your clutch is not forcing the belt all the way out at idle, that might cause your condition with the belt too high in the variator, and too low in the clutch. It is possible...
Other riders with more knowledge PLEASE chime in. This rider NEEDS a low gear! LOL!
Have a bone on the Old Chopper Guy for your efforts!
Leo in Texas
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Post by tweakgames on Sept 6, 2015 14:40:56 GMT -5
Thank you for the warm welcome Leo! I went back and looked the variator and belt over with a fine tooth comb and found that it was a good 1/2 inch up the variator when idle. I took off the new variator I got from Ebay and put on the stock one that was almost seized from lack of oil/lube inside. Started it up and bam, right at the bottom of the variator! I was using the stock fan on the ebay variator base, because they forgot to send it. It is on it's way. So it turns out there are little differences between the stock and Ebay variators. I will post some pictures tonight! Thank you Leo! I am excited to feel the 250's full oomf tonight!
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Post by bhinch on Sept 7, 2015 16:03:29 GMT -5
Welcome....let us know how things go with your new ride. I have over 11,000 miles on my ride. Enjoy...
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 20, 2015 21:16:46 GMT -5
Good going! HAVE A BONE!
Once all the parts are "right" it should run GREAT!
Leo
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Post by cyborg on Sept 20, 2015 21:49:45 GMT -5
Welcome!!!!
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Post by taildrag on Sept 21, 2015 17:06:51 GMT -5
The fuel/air mix is wrong. It is running rich. When you start out it is slow to pick up but as soon as the extra fuel is burned it picks up speed. It's set too rich.
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